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Hi everyone,
within the FFF exams one of the questions might be about differing between a mend and a cast.

A lot of instructors like to answer:

"A cast is done before the stop and the mend is done after the stop."

Some others say:
"A cast will effect the fly-leg and the mend will effect the rod-leg."

Both explanations match quiet well with each other and I would expect both to be correct in one way.

In another way I think mending simply means "repositioning the line".

It can be done after or within a cast.

If I cast my fly to the target while adding an aerial mend does that make the whole "thing" no longer be a cast and being a mend instead?
Not to me.
If I want to go by a new definition it would be a cast mend to me anyway.

However a reach cast is still a cast to me. It's a cast including an aerial mending.

If we define every movement done after the stop to change the whole thing from being a cast into being a mend now then how many casts are left if we take it to detail?

Not too much I think.
Also we first of all would have to define where exactly the stop begins and where it ends and what about that piece inbetween?  :)

What do you think about it?

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The only meaningful way for me is before/after loop formation. This solves the problem of considering pull-back as a mend, which it isn't.

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When does loop formation start and when is pull back finished exactly?

Why is pull back an issue?
As you do, too I just use it on my curve CASTS in order to make them work well.

My rod hand starts pull back while the tip is still increasing velocity in the direction of the cast. And the tip will add pull back to the line after loop formation has started.
Agree?


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The rod tip will add pull back to the line even without pulling back with the hand, if you know what I mean. So every cast has pull back built in?

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Yes. It depends on how we define things...
I like to understand pull back being that extra flip I add by pulling back my rod hand. Rebound is just rebound even though it indeed means the tip pulls back the line for some small degree.

I think the cast is the movement to position the fly on the target.
And the mend is the final movement to reposition the line inbetween the tip and the target.


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I think the cast is the movement to position the fly on the target.
And the mend is the final movement to reposition the line inbetween the tip and the target.


that is a very good way of putting it Bernd.

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So, since pull back is a motion to put the fly on target with higher line speed, pull back isn't a mend.
So, why an overpowered curve performed with pull back is considered a mend?


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Guess it depends how you define pullback ...

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Pull back can be used in many different ways.
For the overpowered curve CAST I use it mainly to speed up the unrolling which helps to pronounce the transverse wave travelling back and repositioning my line into a nice curve between the fly and the tip. In addition I like to add an aerial mend and shooting line after pull back being added to curve it even more.

So pull back here is both helping to speed up my fly-leg and hitting the target as well as pronouncing the repositioning of my line inbetween.

I still have an issue with the way the overpowered curve cast is defined to be shown in the exam. At least it's not what I would teach at all and I somehow doubt that it works well the way how it is written down.


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Pullback for me is pre RSP. I wouldn't define it post RSP. The reason I would define it that way is to avoid another three years of is it a mend is it a cast discussions! If it happens after RSP then it's just a mend.

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