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If I remember correctly, I heard Steve Rajeff say that many good casters can cast farther with a DT line than with a WF.

I've assumed this is because the first 60 feet or so of a DT lines weighs less than the first 60 feet of a WF line, and therefore a caster can carry more DF line on his/her false casts.

Is my assumption correct?

And which line can you cast farther: a WF or DT?

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PostIcon Posted on: Jan. 26 2013,19:00 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Surely the first 60ft of a DT would weigh more than the WF.
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PostIcon Posted on: Jan. 26 2013,19:25 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Hi Randy

At 30 feet both the WF and the DT should weigh the same according to AFFTA standard. At 60 feet the DT will usually weigh more than the WF, and at full length the DT is alot heavier. Thing is, a good caster can carry almost all, if not all, of most DT lines and cast them as a shootinghead, a WF really casts best with only the right amount of overhang. So the DT has the definite advantage from the beginning, longer and heavier mass cast.

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Thanks guys. Now I'm curious: If the first 60 feet of the DT weighs more, I would think that it would slow the fly rod down, and therefore limit a caster's distance.

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Hi Randy

The flycast doesn't work that way  :)

http://vimeo.com/35066178

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PostIcon Posted on: Jan. 27 2013,13:52 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

There is some good information here:

http://www.rodbuildingforum.com/index.p....+weight

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Thanks again. I can't say I understand the rod stress curves, but it seems to me, as a caster carries more and more overhang, at some point the weight of the line will start to slow the rod down. In my mind, therefore, to make the longest possible cast, a caster must carry the ideal amount of overhang, not too much or too little.

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Hi Randy

The link was only meant to be informative of line weights, I would not get too wrapped around the axle for stress curves.  I'll leave discussions on overhand to Lasse, I cannot cast that far  :blush:

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PostIcon Posted on: Jan. 27 2013,17:24 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Hi Randy

It's not that the rod slows down, it is simply that with overhang on a WF/Shootinghead/DT(last one really means alot of backing outside the tiptop, rarely seen) the loop starts to fall apart, it's not stable if it has to start far into the runningline and then move over to thicker flyline. A stable loop is better than an unstable one, and with a WF versus a DT the DT starts out not only longer but also more stable.

Example WF has 40 feet head, good amount of overhang is 10 feet to allow for the haul. So 50 feet arialized for a distance cast
DT is 90 feet and a good caster puts 75 feet outside the tip. DT leads by 25 feet before the shot...

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Ps. Vince, it goes for spey too :p


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Aren't the long belly competition WF lines tailored to eliminate overhang? If these WF lines are not more efficient that DT line, why was one used for this test instead of a DT line?

http://www.sexyloops.com/articles/8rod.shtml

http://www.rioproducts.com/fly-lin....rnament

Are the lines in the article below a DTs, WFs or a mix of the two.

http://www.sexyloops.co.uk/iB_html....9_9.pdf


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