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LaMouche 
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Posted on: Oct. 13 2012,08:24 |
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I agree with Bernd, and (allow me to repeat) I suspect that the way the studies are usually conducted will bias the data by altering the way fish are handled by anglers in ordinary situations, thus minimizing the impact of hook type.
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alex vulev
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Posted on: Oct. 13 2012,08:45 |
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hi Silver,
as Paul implies we need a more elaborated study to judge rightfuly. there are details that are more important,not just looking at the bigger picture. And it is qiute a difference if you conduct a study in a rich habitat with plenty of fish or as a example - on a wild mountain freestone where the food is scarce and the fish are smaller and not that many and any fish is valuable. I can assure you that damaging the lips and toring apart the mouths of these trout with barbed hooks not to mention a barbed trebles is what is qiute disturbing. even if these fish stay alive they are not fit which is my concern and this is what a proper made study should stay focused on, not only on the mortality rate. why should we want to damage any fish /if we not intend to kill/?? its unavoidable with barbed hooks . this is what a study have to show too - what happens to all that badly hooked individual fish? a simple implication that they are not that important in the bigger picture of the things is not good enough answer me think.
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Paul Arden
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Posted on: Oct. 13 2012,11:27 |
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Sorry I didn't know that you actually wanted to fish barbed, Silver. Why is that?
Cheers, Paul
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Bernd
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Posted on: Oct. 13 2012,12:20 |
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About treble hooks...
If a fish opens and shuts his mouth during the fight (what they all do quite often) a treble hook easily "walks around" due to getting hooked up in new places all the time.
I haven't read about this in those studies? But to all Salmon and Sea trout fishermen this isn't anything new for sure. We simply can see the marks often if we control that.
Treble hooks are completely wrong in my book! I have absolutely no use. A barbed single hook may mostly not be my first choice either but sure is much better than a treble hook.
Relating to the German Sea trout forum thousands of coastal lure fishermen agree treble hooks to kill many small trouts always cause of very bad hook damages and huge difficulties to release the fish quickly.
I don't know anyone who would vote for treble hooks at all.
Greets
Bernd
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Biology
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Posted on: Oct. 14 2012,13:07 |
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The stiletto issue is new to me, guess we should all be fishing smaller flies tied on smaller hooks.... I haven't fished anything larger than a #20 since 2009, and #24 - #26 are the staple of every season since, even when early season LDO's are coming off. And if you really think a larger pattern is a must, or you need a searching pattern when there's nothing rising, or waters are well up and just clearing after a spate, try a #20 CDC & elk or RPE and trout will rise out of nowhere... Seems these two patterns come with an unwritten guarantee of a strike, that at least, has been my experience. That all said, I only fish the upper 2" zone of smaller rivers and streams for trout, but then Skuli Kristinsson seems to apply the same approach successfully to salmon with his #20's....
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Clark Reid
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Posted on: Oct. 15 2012,07:06 |
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(Biology @ Oct. 15 2012,10:42)
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(Paul Arden @ Oct. 14 2012,21:32)
QUOTE QUOTE Wait until you get into your 40s mate and you can't see to tie anything smaller than a 14 on a leader. That's not age, Ryan, that's masturbation  42 next Saturday, Ryan. I know, I look amazing....  I'm convinced that tying #32's gives my eyes a regular workout. Still tie and fish without glasses, and hope it lasts for years to come 
Yes I remember 42, I was the same... about 45 I started using and needing $2 shop glasses.
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