For consistency you are going to have to stop referring to loop planes for most casts and start referring to loop surfaces as well. Once I’ve seen how much simpler and clearer your discussions become, then I’ll make an assessment between the two. Hi Paul, I am fine with "keeping the rod in pla...

Hi Graeme, I agree with you, if you are saying there is impact to be seen. That's what this thread is about, too. But we several times did discuss about casters typically pulling their rod out of the accelerational rod path post RSP1 and pausing it further left (right handed caster). Very common mov...

,but if our rod plane is vertical then we must curve the tracking. We may not be able to make it travel perfectly flat, but we can certainly make it flat enough, because we can perform the cast (and it’s not difficult). Maybe I do make it complicated as you say. The point is, that the "vertica...

Nick and I look from the front and can see some of the deviation very well. Is that perpendicular to the motion? No, its 90 degree of being perpendicular. You see 2 casters attempting to make the one cast with a vertical stroke; one has his loop in plane with the rod, the 2nd has a loop that is can...

Bottom line: you can't link any thread about this, because there was none. Because it is a statement of the obvious if you understand how the loop works Same for the "drift" in the horizontal cast. I just spent 40 minutes in the field, it doesn't happen to me. So it was already common kno...

I admit to have zero interest in teaching anyone, that bird's don't just see what's straight down or that planes cant have all different kind of curved surfaces. That is both common sense to me. It's like creep. Some will always put the movement that term stays for as a fault. Because they always ha...

Vince, The overpowered curve showed no dip in tip path and does not qualify as a tailing to me. Saying that rod-leg tention has no effect would be one, saying which effect it has is quite another. Saying that once the launch direction is set and pulling the tip to the side not having any impact wort...

Paul, I think to get what you mean. I am fine with it. 👌 In my terms a plane is flat. I would want to move my rod along a curved surface to shape (I think you mean) the line into a horizontal curve. Since my rod bends and unbends within that curved rod path, the tip cannot move in a flat surface bei...

I really like how Nick put it. That to me covers it and cuts out all confusion. Have you tried teaching a curve cast using Nick’s definition? Yes, Aitor's brilliant bridge slomo has proven many years ago: In the overpowered curve cast I cast straight as possible (moving the rod along a flat surface...

Birds eye has always been looking down on the rod tip to butt from straight above. Hi Lasse, It's a "great" argument (being ironic), that you have ALWAYS used that term in a wrong way. This doesn't make it any more correct though. You may have a look at how most others use it: (in which c...