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Post by Paul Arden » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:48 am

now wish I’d learnt open first as the transition would have been easier between styles.
When do you use open stance, Vince?

The way I look at flycasting is that there are four main disciplines; distance, accuracy, Speys and Presentation casts. I would argue that because closed stance helps keep the shoulders squarely aligned to the target and it is the most useful style for all the disciplines apart from Distance.

The only other time apart from distance when I teach open stance is when it’s appropriate to watch the back loop. However in a fishing situation watching the back loop when trying to execute anything other than a blind distance cast is generally unhelpful. So even if I use it to establish loop control, I get the caster to switch back to closed and have the confidence that his/her backcast is doing what it should when he/she is not watching it. The problem can be of course when not watching it they forget about it :p But they have to learn to remember!

Generally when it comes to open stance I would make this switch for distance casting. However a tight closed stance with a fast haul is effective to over 100ft, so even for “fishing distance” casts the closed stance is very effective. Often I see CI candidates switching to Open for the 75’ cast, and while this can make life easier it’s not necessary and can and often does introduce a world of tracking problems.

Ultimately I would hope that any student will learn Closed, Open and Oval styles. In my experience the vast majority of self-taught casters who come to me for their first ever lesson all cast using open stance and have never even tried closed. They all have tracking issues.

Contrary to what you may think, I think you are fortunate to have begun with closed stance!

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Post by guest » Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:08 am

Paul

If you don’t watch your back cast on small overgrown streams, you are going to spend an awful lot of your time picking your fly out of trees, there’s few places for a conventional overhead cast. I also now use an open stance for distance, saltwater and pike fishing. Before this year, I generally used a fairly rigid closed stance for overhead casting because that was how I’d been taught, closed may reduce tracking errors when you are learning to cast but it leads to tails as the learner tries to add distance by themselves. Tracy’s distance style is unique, it’s beyond me and I found my distance casts have become more consistent with an open stance.

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Post by sms » Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:38 am

When the Baltic is not frozen I train on average about 2 times per week, average about 2h each time. That is spey with 15 footer and I haven’t trained anything else really in more than ten years, except the occasional 18 spey a few years back.
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Post by Boisker » Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:56 am

I think accuracy is easier to maintain or achieve initially with a closed stance, the typical dart style pretty much guarantees you’ll cast in line with the target, you then just have to get the distance right...
But I find I can be just as accurate with a more open/neutral stance... if I am casting under the tip/side arm to be really accurate it feels as though I point the tip right through the end of the cast to the target.
I fish many streams the same size as Vince... so under the tip is something I use loads, arse pushed tight into the bank, kneeling, casting up through an overhanging tree tunnel.... love it :yeahhh:

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Post by guest » Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:05 am

Yep, same stuff Matt, knife fight ina phone box :D I was even laying on my back with legs in the stream, casting a mayfly to a rising fish last season. I’m not sure how that stance is classified :D

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Post by Boisker » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:24 am

Hey Paul... no I haven’t tried the finger/cradle grip (i assume you mean on the forward cast), I’d already started trying the change of grip you use for the backcast, but had been using thumb on top for the forward, I’d forgotten the grip you use in the forward, so will give it a try in a few weeks...

Vince... don’t think it has a name... but I have found myself doing similar...
perhaps we could call it the ‘tarts’ cast :D

This is a more open stretch of the Wraxall I fish regularly..
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And one from late last season... first visit.. Edw in Wales... water painfully low, which had made many pools/ riffles unfishable... so heading back earlier this season...
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Post by guest » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:42 pm

Hi Matt

“Tarts cast”. :D The Edw an Clettwr have been on my “to do” list for far too long, this is my home stream:

https://www.wellowbrookflyfishers.co.uk/about/

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Post by Boisker » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:20 pm

Looks like a great river Vince, what length rod do you use there?

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Post by guest » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:29 pm

I’ve used 5’ glass to 8’ carbon Matt but 7’ is probably the most utility. It’s best early season but I fish in the tunnels when everyone is having bbq in their gardens. You are more than welcome to come up for a paddle any time.

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:43 pm

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Made this knot on the platform in my four minutes of casting due to a huge tangle in Cumbria at the last world championships. Got the gear out for the first time since today for a short one hour session. Guess that answers how much I practice :blush:
In all fairness, I was waiting to be injury free and back in poor shape before doing any distance practice :blush:

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