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I'm with Lasse, Lou, I think we need to narrow down the clip. I'm a bit concerned that you might be thinking in terms of rod loading only.
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All of them.Lasse Karlsson wrote:Hi Lou
Could you specify which clip you are looking at?
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PSS. How to generate a climbing loop through control of the casting stroke is left as a (considerable) exercise to the reader.
Fly rod deflection
Sorry, the Hans Hebeisen cast that Tobias analyzed in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRqF2Ez67tw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRqF2Ez67tw
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Interesting this...WJC wrote:I just did here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWNXcbrxDEE
if that's what you are talkiing about. I can't watch vimeo for some reason unless they are imbeded.
I don't understand what the point is of what he is saying.
It seems to me that he is saying that a rod which is straight at the beginning of a casting stroke starts bending with the center of the grip on the rod being on the diameter of a large circle. As the cast progresses the diameter of the circle roughly described by the rod bend rises up the rod towards the direction of the fly leg and its diameter decreases as this is happening. The center of the shrinking circle follows, generally, the trajectory of the cast.
I have no idea how this would help anyone's casting or to understand better what they should be doing to make this occur in the most effective way.
Perhaps someone else can explain it to us both.
When casting I give little if any thought to the tip of the rod. The tip is consequence, evidence - it gives up first thing and begs to be part of the fly line. The tip matters 'meh'... . The tip is not the rod.
What I think about is what in the video would be the 'leading edge' of the circle. In my own thoughts, the main resistance... where the rod puts up a fight. I push against that, and I move my armature to keep it going at the desired trajectory... all the way up, up, up until the rod comes straight.
IMHO
I like the visual of their circle idea. The science I will leave to Merlin, Walter, Gordy and others to explain.
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Walter, what kind of drugs are you on, and can I get someWalter wrote:All of them.Lasse Karlsson wrote:Hi Lou
Could you specify which clip you are looking at?
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Fly rod deflection
I'm high on physics...
"There can be only one." - The Highlander.
PS. I have a flying tank. Your argument is irrelevant.
PSS. How to generate a climbing loop through control of the casting stroke is left as a (considerable) exercise to the reader.
PS. I have a flying tank. Your argument is irrelevant.
PSS. How to generate a climbing loop through control of the casting stroke is left as a (considerable) exercise to the reader.
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Yup, thin air can do that to you too
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Flycasting, so simple that instructors need to make it complicated since 1685
Got a Q++ at casting school, wearing shorts
Flycasting, so simple that instructors need to make it complicated since 1685
Got a Q++ at casting school, wearing shorts
Fly rod deflection
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PS. I have a flying tank. Your argument is irrelevant.
PSS. How to generate a climbing loop through control of the casting stroke is left as a (considerable) exercise to the reader.
PS. I have a flying tank. Your argument is irrelevant.
PSS. How to generate a climbing loop through control of the casting stroke is left as a (considerable) exercise to the reader.
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Hi Lou,
No I think the haul will increase the amount of energy being transferred to the rod - I don't see how it can be otherwise. I think that the haul can start at any time, it's really more about when it ends. I had always thought that the haul was an increasing acceleration to a sudden stop but I'm less sure of that now.
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No I think the haul will increase the amount of energy being transferred to the rod - I don't see how it can be otherwise. I think that the haul can start at any time, it's really more about when it ends. I had always thought that the haul was an increasing acceleration to a sudden stop but I'm less sure of that now.
Cheers, Paul
Fly rod deflection
Hi Paul
Agree, fly rod deflection or counterflex has been my focus lately. Especially the effect it may have in our cast and how we can minimize it...assuming it's a bad thing. Hauling opens another topic, one that I didn't intend to start here.
Agree, fly rod deflection or counterflex has been my focus lately. Especially the effect it may have in our cast and how we can minimize it...assuming it's a bad thing. Hauling opens another topic, one that I didn't intend to start here.