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Lasse Karlsson
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Paul, because the rod bends we can hit it harder, but where does the energy for the counterflex come from? I suspect the lever effect is much larger, and the spring mostly goes into wobbling, then again I do not sell those things, and largely the only ones interested in talking them up do
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Dunno man...it's not in the book at the moment but you never know...Talking of which when are you coming to visit?
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Hi Lasse,
Well that's just excellent that you "suspect" that but I was really looking for facts
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Well that's just excellent that you "suspect" that but I was really looking for facts
Cheers, Paul
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These are the "facts" as I know them.
1. The only energy source in the system is the caster.
2. You cant get more out than you put in.
That's it...
1. The only energy source in the system is the caster.
2. You cant get more out than you put in.
That's it...
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It comes from the remaining kinetic energy of the rod, which is concentrated in the tip at RSP.where does the energy for the counterflex come from?
Merlin
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Hi Mark,
Right but you can put more in with a bendy rod compared to a rigid one?
Well it should be! When I get more organised I'll be sending you an invite - that's the plan
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Right but you can put more in with a bendy rod compared to a rigid one?
Well it should be! When I get more organised I'll be sending you an invite - that's the plan
Cheers, Paul
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Paul
Assuming you can get a rather straight path with a broosmstick, most of your energy is used to rotate the broomstick to give speed to the line. You have to use the same amount of kinetic energy to stop the rod, which is awfully tiring. The only force on the line is due to the acceleration of the tip which you get from leverage.
On top of allowing a more convenient hand path to get a correct path for the tip, you can feed more energy to a rod (elastic, inertial) thanks to its flexibility. At the end you can recover the elastic energy which is temporary stored and a part of the kinetic energy of the rod. Instead of having to cancel the kinetic energy of a full broomstick for which every piece of mass counts, you benefit from a self deceleration of the butt and a kinetic energy to spoil which is limited to the tip of the rod. The higher the level of energy you can put into the spring, the higher the level of energy given to the line. The working force is due to the spring, not to the simple acceleration of the tip linked to rotation (broomstick case). The amount of inertial effect is due to the distribution of mass along the rod shaft (and to the distribution of stiffness to a lesser degree). It is design and material dependant. If you want to maximize the inertial effect, you should opt for a butt action, but you could lose in spring benefit (too soft and/or slow). Modern rods are “spring oriented”.
Merlin
Assuming you can get a rather straight path with a broosmstick, most of your energy is used to rotate the broomstick to give speed to the line. You have to use the same amount of kinetic energy to stop the rod, which is awfully tiring. The only force on the line is due to the acceleration of the tip which you get from leverage.
On top of allowing a more convenient hand path to get a correct path for the tip, you can feed more energy to a rod (elastic, inertial) thanks to its flexibility. At the end you can recover the elastic energy which is temporary stored and a part of the kinetic energy of the rod. Instead of having to cancel the kinetic energy of a full broomstick for which every piece of mass counts, you benefit from a self deceleration of the butt and a kinetic energy to spoil which is limited to the tip of the rod. The higher the level of energy you can put into the spring, the higher the level of energy given to the line. The working force is due to the spring, not to the simple acceleration of the tip linked to rotation (broomstick case). The amount of inertial effect is due to the distribution of mass along the rod shaft (and to the distribution of stiffness to a lesser degree). It is design and material dependant. If you want to maximize the inertial effect, you should opt for a butt action, but you could lose in spring benefit (too soft and/or slow). Modern rods are “spring oriented”.
Merlin
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I think, to summarise Merlin, that It's easier, yes.Right but you can put more in with a bendy rod compared to a rigid one?
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Feck mate, I learned that from youPaul Arden wrote:Hi Lasse,
Well that's just excellent that you "suspect" that but I was really looking for facts
Cheers, Paul
Why do you choose stiffer and stiffer rods for distance? A bendier one lets you hit it so much harder???
Btw. I agree with Mark here
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Lasse
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Flycasting, so simple that instructors need to make it complicated since 1685
Got a Q++ at casting school, wearing shorts