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Re: A Climbing Loop?
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:33 pm
by Dirk le Roux
gordonjudd wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:13 pm
Since internal tension is a double ended force could it provide any net force on the line?
I seems to me that internal tension forces will cancel out all around the line so I don't see how that internal tension could help to support the loop end of the catenary formed in the rod leg.
Hi Gordy
I meant the effect of increased tension at the loop (which equal & opposites at the rod tip). If you hang cable with a flattish sag, increasing tension at the ends will lift the centre and reduce that sag.
Regards,
Dirk
Re: A Climbing Loop?
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:14 pm
by Lasse Karlsson
James9118 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:46 am
Lasse - how far can you chuck a 20g weight single handed with your non-flyfishing outfit (I can't even bring myself to say it
)
Just tried it, and without cheating (other hand helping with rotation) I maxed out in the late 40's (longest measured was 48) with a bit of help, 68 meter...
5 MED went 32+ without a haul and 40,6 with a haul...
Not sure I'll get much further, change of rod might help, but didn't get the feeling it was tackle more than driver incompetence
Cheers
Lasse
Re: A Climbing Loop?
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:38 pm
by Lasse Karlsson
Re: A Climbing Loop?
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:42 pm
by Paul Arden
Did you buy those shoes especially?
Re: A Climbing Loop?
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:48 pm
by Lasse Karlsson
Paul Arden wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:42 pm
Did you buy those shoes especially?
Yes
Re: A Climbing Loop?
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:10 am
by Lasse Karlsson
The comparable flyline singlehand cast.
Cheers
Lasse
Re: A Climbing Loop?
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:06 pm
by Torsten
Hi Lasse,
Not sure I'll get much further, change of rod might help, but didn't get the feeling it was tackle more than driver incompetence
I'm rather impressed that you're casting with this style that far
One of our club members has won yesterday the German Championship (ICSF discipline 7) with a cast of 108m - the world record is ~120m. We are using 18g plastic weights, 0.25mm mono and a shock leader, optimized gear like oversized guides, and special casting techniques pendulum style or even body rotations. In my opinion many spin fisherman overestimate their distance. OK maybe with ultra thin fireline and dense lead weights more distance is possible.
Re: A Climbing Loop?
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:07 pm
by Lasse Karlsson
Hi Torsten
I fish that kind of gear, and as a distance geek, have measured
give me two hands and my normal setup, and a 20 gram lure, and I know I'm looking at 100 in ok conditions. And thats without lengthening stroke with body rotation and pendulum, just normal stroke length.
Just goes to show that the casting sport diciplines have fallen quite back comparwd to real world fishing situations. I haven't used mono on the coast since early 90's...
Agree that most fishermen overestimate their abiities, doesn't matter what gear they use though
getting out the old lie detector is always useful.
Cheers
Lasse
Re: A Climbing Loop?
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:53 pm
by Torsten
Sure Lasse,
as I've written, with thin fireline and a dense lure I can imagine that. The ICSF game was restricted that it fits on sports field (you don't have often more than ~120m space); the 18g weight is basically floating. On the other hand I'm guessing that makes more sense to compare with a floating fly line. I'd say 80m is a good overhead cast with such gear.
In general, what was the intention of the experiment, what do we want to show?
Re: A Climbing Loop?
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:12 pm
by Lasse Karlsson
Torsten wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:53 pm
In general, what was the intention of the experiment, what do we want to show?
Post #46
Cheers
Lasse