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Barbes vs barbless
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:59 pm
by johnnybg
I've been thinking of going barbless for a while. The main reason is that 99% of my fishing is c&r. Besides, being better for the fish and its survival (which is a very valid point) are there any benefits to the angler and here I'm not thinking of the time is set the fly in my jacket, ear or similar.
Are there any advantages in regards of:
- Setting the hook
- Landing the fish
- etc.
I believe that I might loose more fish, but I'm not sure how significant a role the barb plays in this regard.
Re: Barbes vs barbless
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:00 pm
by johnnybg
Oh, my fishing primarily consists of stillwater (saltwater) fishing for sea run browns if that's an important information
Re: Barbes vs barbless
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:24 pm
by Lasse Karlsson
A barbless hook penetrates easier all the way to the bend, when its deep, and one keeps tension on the line, it is practucally impossible for the hook to fall out.
So nada to loosing more fish
Cheers
Lasse
Re: Barbes vs barbless
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:57 am
by Paul Arden
Hi Johnny,
I havenāt fished a barbed hook in over 25 years. Itās a simple matter to crush the barb with some flat needle nosed pliers.
If it was up to me I would outlaw barbs and make them a thing of the past. I donāt allow anyone who fishes on my boats to fish barbed flies. So that should tell you what I think about them
C&R is for the future. Barbless is definitely the way to go. Youāll never look back! And well done for making this important step.
Cheers, Paul
Re: Barbes vs barbless
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:29 am
by Paul Arden
Longer answer (was having breakfast
)
Itās my opinion that you might lose the odd fish at first, when you make the transition, ultimately you will hook and land more. So for that reason there are no reasons not to change. However even if we did land the odd less fish it wouldnāt matter to me at all. It would be a tiny price to pay for the ease of release, less damage to the fish and a lower mortality. After all, we are doing this for fun, fish are part of that game; barbs really have no part in that. For me barbs is like a big āfuck youā to the fish.
Iām going to tell you this... Sometimes barbless hooks drop out in the net. Very rarely do they drop out while playing fish. Sometimes even with barbless hooks itās hard to release the fly and you need to cut the line close to the fly to save the fish. Getting broken with barbless flies is not so much of a problem because you know the fly will drop out easier. Iāve been broken on fish on poppers and found my popper floating five minutes later
I just tell everyone the rules in the Jungle are barbless hooks, C&R only. Iāll be helping manage a Mahseer fishery next year and those WILL be the rules
One final thought if you are losing fish after the change then have a close look at your hooks. Long shanked hooks with short barbless points can lever out while playing. But apart from that - and a few issues on Intermediate lines when I first changed - never any problems.
Cheers, Paul
Re: Barbes vs barbless
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:48 pm
by Limpe Iven
What about hook-thickness?
Thinner hooks make smaller holes, less chance of losing that thinner hook (when keeping pressure)? Makes sense?
Depending on targeted species of course.
Re: Barbes vs barbless
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:40 pm
by johnnybg
Sounds right. I believe it's the same principle that applies when pinching the barb and getting a lower wire diameter so to speak. Also, Jens Bursell conducted some studies on this topic:
http://bursell.dk/artikler/saltwater/hook-test.pdf
Re: Barbes vs barbless
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:42 pm
by Paul Arden
Thanks guys Iāll read the article. Itās not something Iāve ever considered when it comes to hook choice and Iāve always looked at shape, weight, strength and how the hook swims.
Thanks,
Paul
Re: Barbes vs barbless
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:26 pm
by ACW
My first action when dressing all my flys ,that includes salmon flys is to debarb,been doing it for years .
Rarely have fish fall of
even did it for the grayling bugs i used to give guests on my grayling days
Re: Barbes vs barbless
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:50 pm
by Paul Arden
Interesting article. But it is all about barbs
Penetrating beyond the barb or the fish is lost. If that is the problem then youāre better off with barbless. Even if you are fishing for the pot, you are always going to catch small undersized fish. Barbs in my opinion are for holding bait on the hooks, not for holding fish during the fight. Itās completely unnecessary to have them on flies. I thought barbs were a thing of the past. I was rudely awakened last year when I was told 80% of Tasmanian anglers were still fishing barbs. I guess thatās not the only place!!
Very odd and I think itās mostly about confidence. We promote ourselves as being good for fish, we protect their environment, we are C&R, we fish barbless. I was shocked in Tasmania and Iām shocked again. I think we probably have to start promoting the fact that if you fish barbless hooks then youāll get a better hook hold and land more fish. And thatās probably the reality.
But itās mostly about releasing the fish. Itās so easy to remove a barbless hook. With a barbed hook sometimes itās a real pain. Especially if they are deeply hooked. Why are we fishing in the first place? To catch lots of fish and have a good time. Everything we can do to minimise damage to the fish is a no-brainer. Itās not even an argument for me; I would never dream of fishing a barbed hook. And as I wrote, anyone who fishes with me MUST fish barbless otherwise Iāll leave them in the jungle with the tigers.
Cheers, Paul