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Nice Bernd! I haven't yet been able to watch all of it yet because of the bloody Internet :evil:

However I would suggest two or three things, from my limited experience.

1) you need to talk to the camera and present the video. You'll be very good at this!
2) close ups of stuff are always good, reels, unhooking fish
3) time lapses are loved by everyone - film a sunset or shadows and speed it up.

1 is the most important thing, that and genuine fishing ability is what sets films apart. Some are good at one or other, rarely good at both. Overall a story is a good idea, how long are you going for, what do you hope to catch, etc etc. Of course usually the story is bullshit and made up afterwards!

It's really hard to film and fish!!! Hope the Internet kicks in properly and I can watch it all!

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Hi,

well --- I was almost refraining from commenting as the video itself seems a classic example of what you are criticising.

There is many vacation movies out there, some are shot with good cameras, some with bad. But that is not the difference really. Most people already fell asleep in the 70´s when daddy pulled out the super 8 to show what they have done on the beach. yes, they had fun ... so did you catching these fish - however - there was not much informational content.

Good films which I actually like to watch several times combine a few things:

a) they have a story with characters - interaction between fishermen
b) they are informative so the basic questions are covered - where, when, what and how and why
c) they are narrated
d) they do not have free music as background

In other words - there is a lot of headroom for your film maker career Bernd. I know you have all the information, so don´t be shy and write a proper script before cutting.

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Hi Bernd

Have to agree with T.Z. here.

If you haven't got a story before shooting, you need to have a serious amount of footage to choose from, that of course means filming and not fishing... Even If you have a story, same applies.

A friend of mine makes some nice movies, in my oppinion of course :) never the less, the craftsmanship of his clips show alot of skill.



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The thing is Bernd, you'd be bloody excellent at presenting. Great communicator and a bloody outstanding angler. There are very few who can do both. Lee Wulff could. Good videos to watch by the way. Most people are intimidated by the camera! Talk to the camera like it's your best friend.


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Hi Bernd,
great first Video, still some things to consider: General narrative aspect was mentioned before, so I won't comment on that. However a fish porn does need a story, but the video does not fit into that category.
I think length is important because as the editor you tend to add all those clips, as they mean something to you. I would try to make it a 3 minute movie using the same base material.
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Spend too much time watching fishing videos ,especially in Winter. But I know what I like now.
Less music and more natural sounds + narrative. One of the most memorable was one I can no longer find, but it was a guy fishing a good trout in NZ being directed by the cameraman who was looking down on the fish. What made this great was the conversation between the two regarding several refusals and what to try next. Went on for 15min and they didnt get a proper take but it was riveting
Must say I really liked Paul's snakehead and guarami efforts. Can't wait for the Guarami taking the fig ,(close up shots ) :D
In short talking is good ( not the touchy feely meaning of life stuff either ) There doesnt always have to be a happy ending . In fact things going wrong can be more interesting. Going to be an interesting journey Bernd.
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Paul Arden wrote: 1) you need to talk to the camera and present the video. You'll be very good at this!
2) close ups of stuff are always good, reels, unhooking fish
3) time lapses are loved by everyone - film a sunset or shadows and speed it up.
Hi Paul,
thanks for your fine feedback. Good points there!
I'll go for them in the future!

Filming and fishing indeed is almost impossible or let's say it leaves filming with significant limits. :)
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t.z. wrote: Good films which I actually like to watch several times combine a few things:

a) they have a story with characters - interaction between fishermen
b) they are informative so the basic questions are covered - where, when, what and how and why
c) they are narrated
d) they do not have free music as background
Hi Thomas,
thanks for your fine feedback!
I indeed did not plan a story to tell first and then film.. which of course would have been much better. Instead I made small vids for easy remembering a great trip to my guests. At some point now I decided to learn editing first and for that I used those short films I had on my computer.
I will work on making a film the other way round during this season!
About the music, I had to pay to be allowed to use it. Not that expensive though but I think music will always be a personal taste?
Anyway I have asked an excellent (professional) piano player who has his own "soundstudio". He is very interested in supporting future projecs for a fair price. He then would create music for the film matching picture- music much better.
We'll see what I can do/learn here!

What kind of music would be your choice for such a video about fly fishing Norway?
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Bernd Ziesche wrote:
t.z. wrote: Good films which I actually like to watch several times combine a few things:

a) they have a story with characters - interaction between fishermen
b) they are informative so the basic questions are covered - where, when, what and how and why
c) they are narrated
d) they do not have free music as background
Hi Thomas,
thanks for your fine feedback!
I indeed did not plan a story to tell first and then film.. which of course would have been much better. Instead I made small vids for easy remembering a great trip to my guests. At some point now I decided to learn editing first and for that I used those short films I had on my computer.
I will work on making a film the other way round during this season!
About the music, I had to pay to be allowed to use it. Not that expensive though but I think music will always be a personal taste?
Anyway I have asked an excellent (professional) piano player who has his own "soundstudio". He is very interested in supporting future projecs for a fair price. He then would create music for the film matching picture- music much better.
We'll see what I can do/learn here!

What kind of music would be your choice for such a video about fly fishing Norway?
Thanks
Bernd
Very good you took it as it was meant ... rough maybe but constructive. No music is best. What is better than the noises of water, fire and the nature around? You might want to build a sound library so you can cover the original sound which might not fit (cars and trains in the background)

I will be in Germany in April at a film studio doing some fly tying shoots. Maybe we should meet. This will be in the Cologne area.

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I have thought about to import lots of fishing based sounds to my final cut libary. Excellent point! First I now need to buy a voice recorder and mics. Any hints here?
Let me know before your trip! Need an old Hardy reel to get the pulling off sound recorded. Haha
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