Which fly rod action is best for casting longer distance

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Which fly rod action is best for casting longer distance

Post Number:#21  Postby James9118 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:01 pm

Hi Merlin,

I haven't made any assumptions - I've just asked a question. However let's make one now, let's assume that's not a smile on Stickman Lasse's face, lets assume it's a grimace because his noodly (very short :D ) arms are applying the maximum force (mg) that he can muster during a cast. Would that make any difference to his choice of the best rod for distance?

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Post Number:#22  Postby Lasse Karlsson » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:21 pm

Damn, those are stiff rods :D

Ok, the one with the bendier tip will be the one to throw the longest :p. Ones a broomstick, the other a shorter broomstick with a bendy tip, longer tiptravel for the same amount of force applied, higher line velocity in the end...

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Post Number:#23  Postby Lou Bruno » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:00 pm

Lasse,
So, having a bendy rod, one that bends down to the butt would have greater tip travel? Therefore, producing greater line velocity. Don't think so, other variables come into play...true?
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Post Number:#24  Postby Lasse Karlsson » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:10 pm

Hi Lou

True.
James is making an extreme example, the other end would be a really bendy rod (most rods bend well into the handle) it is counterproductive. You'd loose the lever effect, and that plays a bigger point in throwing a line than the spring does. Plus the much bigger counterflex wreaks havoc with introducing slack, making it hard to control the line, and in delivery holds back the shot.
Someone made a bell curve (I think it was Merlin) showing how rods from noodle to broomstick would be to throw, the top of the bell curve are the ones which would be best, the ends the worst where they detract more than help. I liked that one, thing is the caster is the biggest variable, and from throwing lots of different rods with the same line down the tape, I found that the rod one uses the most is the one throwing the furthest.

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Post Number:#25  Postby Merlin » Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:09 am

Hi Lasse

Something like that?
from noodle to broomstick.JPG
from noodle to broomstick.JPG (47.96 KiB) Viewed 500 times

One can see that the maximum speed occurs for a relatively wide band of rod stiffness

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Post Number:#26  Postby Paul Arden » Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:44 am

I'm not sure why many assume you need to be stronger to cast a stiffer rod (strong to bend it?!). You only need to adapt your stroke to the tackle.

Tony, most casters initially don't have the skills to alter their casting stroke. And it's quite a change when you go to a very stiff rod. I personally really enjoy casting such tackle - nowadays!

My 5WT distance casting rod is also my 10WT Snakehead rod. It goes around 1.5-2m further than the original SL Comp5 rod which is my 6WT fishing rod. For a lot of people however, it doesn't go anywhere!

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Post Number:#27  Postby Lou Bruno » Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:38 am

[quote="Paul Arden"]Tony, most casters initially don't have the skills to alter their casting stroke. And it's quite a change when you go to a very stiff rod. I personally really enjoy casting such tackle - nowadays! /quote]

Paul,

So true, after practicing with our favorite rod try practicing with a fly rod quit the opposite. Fun!

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Post Number:#28  Postby VGB » Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:41 pm

Paul Arden wrote:Tony, most casters initially don't have the skills to alter their casting stroke. And it's quite a change when you go to a very stiff rod. I personally really enjoy casting such tackle - nowadays!



I suspect the point Tony is trying to make is that the same people cannot adjust their timing to a bendier rod either, but I reckon that you would need to agree on what you meant by bendy first.

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Post Number:#29  Postby Lasse Karlsson » Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:10 pm

Hi Vince

What timing do we need to adjust between a bendy rod and a stiff one?

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Post Number:#30  Postby VGB » Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:20 pm

Hi Lasse

If I hand my glass or bamboo rods to someone with limited experience who has only cast graphite, their stroke length is too often too short, power is applied too quickly and the next stroke starts too soon.

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