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Post by Michal Duzynski » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:04 pm

Hi
Yesterday, after few months of casting 5wt line on my HT10, I took this rod on the flats.
I used 10wt Rio line ( middle profile on the picture). It is older model, so I think it is still rated as a 10wt, and half or full size heavier, then 10ft leader and HEAVY shrimp.
The first few casts were shocking, fly kicking, roll cast was crap, loops looked like shit.
Instead of wishing for heavier line, I had to rethink my set up and casting.
First thing I did, I went down from 10ft to 8ft leader ( could even go to 7 as the line has clear tip). Casting wise, I opend my loop, which morphed to a nice one on the end of the turnover.

Point is- would I go to a shop and buy another heavier line?- NO

P.S
HT first fish on a HT10 was a small ( my shrimp size) PUFFER FISH :whistle:
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Post by Michal Duzynski » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:38 am

One more thing to add to this uplining crap.
Hopefully I wont fuck up the original thread, but on the end its down to casting
I do my distance warm up with short casts. 5wt line on 10wt labled rod, and it is fantastic.
I could take this rod and a dry fly ( size of my fluff) and perform short, med and super long casts with sexyloops.
Some say"i cant bend it", but this is crap. Ok I wont feel a small fish on a 10wt, but casting related is great.
So my question is- who really needs uplining and what heavier line ( more bend) gives to them???
Mike

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:42 am

Hi Mike

So you uplined with putting a 10wt line on the rod you usually cast a 5wt line on, right?

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Post by Michal Duzynski » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:47 am

Ha ha ha
No Lasse, the rod is labled as 10wt, so im DOWNLINING/UNDERLINING :D
I cast distance with 5wt MED on HT10, but i do it so much that I get use to it very much. When I warm up for a big shots I flick couple short loops on that set up and it feels awsome.
Im scared sometimes, that I wont be able to cast 5wt line on a rod labled as 5 as it will to soft for me, and I have to readjust my stroke.
This is why once on a while( for a practice purpose) I put the line on a rod as the lable says.
Ok HT 5wt COMP is on a blank dedicated as 6wt, but 5wt line is awsome on it- maybe Im a fan of underlining...
....but it all changes when a heavy fly is attached to the leader

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Post by Paul Arden » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:57 am

Hi Boisker, yes that's for trout really where the fight is more about having them swim about to tire themselves while giving some direction. I doubt we ever apply more than a pound, max two, of force.

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Post by Paul Arden » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:02 am

Hi Michal,

If RIO are making their lines heavier by 1AFFTA rating then for fishing the HT10 I would definitely recommend what they would label a 9WT. For something like an Outbound the correct line is what they call an 8WT.

I would most certainly not fish an 11WT line on this rod.

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Post by Michal Duzynski » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:34 am

No worries Paul I wont. I dont have problem with loading :D
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Post by Graeme H » Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:18 am

I don't have such a line, but how much of a 10wt DT line would be too much to carry on the HT10 then? At what distance is the rod "overloaded"?

The questions are facetious. :) I practice my casting with a 6wt DT line on the HT6. The first 30' is at or near the standard, but I'm often carrying 65' or 70'. That's well over double the 160gn standard mass for a 6wt line. I'd calculate the "one line weight over" would be achieved with 35' of line outside the tip and "two line weights over" with 40'. By 55' I'm casting what the denizens of lesser forums call a 10wt line if the grain is the only consideration. It's essentially a 12wt line (by mass) by the time I'm holding the backing knot on the 80' DT6.

Unless there's something wrong with the rod, I'd be confident that a 10wt Rio Permit (or maybe the Flats Pro) would be well suited to any rod labelled as a 10wt rod, including the HT10. (Weren't you using a Rio Permit on the HT10 for a while Paul?)

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Post by Paul Arden » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:49 am

It's not overloaded at a 60ft carry where it feels overloaded is at 20ft. It's like putting a big condom on.

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:50 am

Michal Duzynski wrote:Ha ha ha
No Lasse, the rod is labled as 10wt, so im DOWNLINING/UNDERLINING :D
I cast distance with 5wt MED on HT10, but i do it so much that I get use to it very much. When I warm up for a big shots I flick couple short loops on that set up and it feels awsome.
Im scared sometimes, that I wont be able to cast 5wt line on a rod labled as 5 as it will to soft for me, and I have to readjust my stroke.
This is why once on a while( for a practice purpose) I put the line on a rod as the lable says.
Ok HT 5wt COMP is on a blank dedicated as 6wt, but 5wt line is awsome on it- maybe Im a fan of underlining...
....but it all changes when a heavy fly is attached to the leader
Hi Mike

The number on the rod is just a guidence for beginners, there is no such thing as a rating/standard for rods. So underlining/overlining doesn't make much sense. Paul designed the rod, and if he's in a competition its a 5, if he 's fishing for imaginary fish in malaysia, he calls it a 10, if I had it I might call it a 15 or a - 3.
The real matter is your last line, the fly dictates the line, who cares what is written on the rod.....

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