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Thoughts on the Hardy HBX, good rod!

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Thoughts on the Hardy HBX, good rod!

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Post by nicholasfmoore » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:43 pm

Hello everyone,

I have just joined the board, after Paul's recommendation!

I have two Hardy HBX 9' #6's, and i would highly recommend them. I would describe these as progressive, with a very fast recovery. Quite a lovely tool indeed for FISHING DISTANCES (just casting the leader to about 100') and i do favour progressive rod actions, rather than tip action. The reason for this is the fact i use a pull through stroke (as Mel Krieger said "like throwing a javelin") which you can't do with a tip action rod, you have to push them through the stroke (don't know if you agree, Paul?) rod action is a very personal thing.

I spent a very long time at Sportfish in the UK trying various rods (just something to do one weekend!) and the line i use for testing is the competition version of the scientific anglers mastery expert distance. I know for a fact that this line sits in the bounds of a true line weight (my #6 has a 26m/85' head, and the first 30' is exactly 160 grains. I weighed it to make sure) the line is progressive, so it shouldn't under load or over load the rod at any distance. By the way, the Scott radian is a particular favourite of mine. But that's another topic!

Here is the twist!

In my opinion the HBX, with it's recommended line weight, was a tad too much. As soon as i started to carry more line, i could feel the rod becoming spongy (a bit like waving a wet sock around). Overloaded! Especially with the whole head out.

I then put my #5 MED on the rod, and it was absolutely great. It never overloaded or underloaded the rod, and quite frankly was a joy to use. That's just me, though.

If you do get a HBX i would highly recommend trying a line that is one true line weight under what it is rated for. I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Let me know your thoughts? Who else has one?

All the best

Nick
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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:46 pm

What's a tip action rod?

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Re: Thoughts on the Hardy HBX, good rod!

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Post by nicholasfmoore » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:23 pm

Hi Lasse,

I'm sure you know :upside:

Tip action rods flex in the upper third :pirate: I find that anglers do exchange terms a lot. My feeling is that Fast, medium and slow describe the recovery of the rod, and tip-through action describe how a rod bends when it is flexed and loaded.

What rod do you like to use for general trout fishing, Lasse?

Thank you for the welcome!

Kind regards

Nick

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Post by Paul Arden » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:33 am

Hi Nick, welcome to the Board :D

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Post by James9118 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:48 am

nicholasfmoore wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:43 pm
The reason for this is the fact i use a pull through stroke (as Mel Krieger said "like throwing a javelin") which you can't do with a tip action rod, you have to push them through the stroke
Hi Nick,

I think we met at Sportfish - I was with Tracy from the BFCC.

Welcome to Sexyloops.

With the pleasantries over :D; I thought I'd ask about your statement above, why do you think you can't use a pulling stroke with a fast action rod? I find I can use any stroke I like with any action of rod :???:

All the best, James.

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Post by Paul Arden » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:53 am

I don’t know the model by the way, but I do like a rod that I can feel flex under the grip. Rod ratings are quite subjective as well as related to purpose. Even with the HT6 I’ll often drop to a 5MED if I want a bit more pace to the cast. For example all the teaching in the APP was done with a six weight line. But the “freestyle” video is a 5-line. I use the 5MED on this rod in the WC Championships. But I always fish it with a six.

It wasn’t that long ago that rods came along with multiple rod ratings on the handle 5/6, 5/6/7 etc. With two ratings the general suggestion was a DT with the lower rating and a WF with the upper rating. However since line weights are now all over the spectrum and usually heavier than AFFTA/AFTM it’s become rather complicated. It’s almost getting to the point where the caster needs a professional “rod fit”.

On the good news front it’s about every rod will cast just about every line. So it’s still the driver that matters most.

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Post by Paul Arden » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:20 pm

Personally I do find rods that flex into the butt better for ‘pulling’ strokes. That may be a feeling thing or a rod bend thing. I know Mel was of the same opinion. I haven’t thought about it for years however. :D

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Post by bartdezwaan » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:32 pm

I find this pulling/pushing a bit strange.
A short while ago someone told me I am not pulling.
I believe it’s all in the head. In my head I am mostly thinking about pulling the line with the rod tip.
How do you see if someone is pulling or pushing?

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Post by bartdezwaan » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:36 pm

BTW Thanks for the review Nick and welcome to the board. Maybe I should put my question in it’s own thread.

I have also cast the HBX #6. It is a nice rod.

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Post by Paul Arden » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:03 pm

Pushing/Pulling is very simple of those who think that way, and very complicated for everyone else :p

It's basically one of Mel's teaching tools. He would teach to imagine that the line, at the beginning of the forward cast, is attached to a concrete block and to try to move it. Pulling is essentially bringing shoulder rotation into play and pushing is extension of the elbow. I think the ideal cast has a bit of both. However as a teaching tool getting someone to use their elbow, or even their whole body, I think is great.

Quite an old page here from Carlos http://www.sexyloops.com/carlos/pushandpull.shtml

I learned it a couple of years before I started Sexyloops. Back then it was actually quite revolutionary.

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