becoming a good fly caster

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becoming a good fly caster

Post Number:#1  Postby Bernd Ziesche » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:54 am

Hi everyone,
what is most important to become a good fly caster:
a) the sensomotorc ability, the physical abilty - simply talent
or
b) having a good teacher?

Is it first of all the good teacher who can help almost everyone to become a good fly caster or does it need a special talent instead and the teacher is less important?
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Post Number:#2  Postby Zoran Marinkovic » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:28 am

even for the most talented a good teacher is a must in a certain point (usually to broke that 30 meters psychological border )
for the non talented, a good teacher is a must every day up to the point of 30 meters :glare:
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Post Number:#3  Postby RexW » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:50 am

A good teacher is important to become a good caster more quickly. And of course some good practice doesn't hurt either.
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Post Number:#4  Postby Snake Pliskin » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:16 pm

Physical ability is number 1 for me. Some people just don't have the motor control and timing necessary to reach the top level. Anyone can become a "good" caster with dedicated practice and good teaching, but very few people can become a truly great caster. That's why not everyone can play football in the premier league, or win a gold in gymnastics at the Olympics.
I think an ability to move well, plus an idea of what is happening and why, is enough to get to a good level.
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Post Number:#5  Postby Snake Pliskin » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:30 pm

By the way, it can be difficult sometimes to quantify what "good" flycasting is. It's easy to specialise and excel in one aspect of fly casting such as distance, and struggle in others. For me, good fly casting is all round control. The ability to make the line do what you want, when you want.
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Post Number:#6  Postby Paul Arden » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:27 pm

I think that the most important element by far is practise.
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Post Number:#7  Postby Bernd Ziesche » Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:40 pm

Paul Arden wrote:I think that the most important element by far is practise.

Hi Paul,
practise with or without a teacher having set up a plan for practising?

Hi Steve,
that is exactly the point am after. Thanks.
I think in a lot of sports (Baseball, football, handball, soccer, rugby, tennis etc.) we will never see those guys at the top level, who did not have the best notes in school sport either. Those who did, usually have high level physical and sensomotoric abilties.

In fly casting I have seen quite some very good casters, which I think would never make it to a top level in those other sports. So my question is how much of those physical and sensomotoric abilities do we really need to become a top fly caster?

Personally I think not as much as one might think.
With a good plan for practising I think a lot of us can become a top level fly caster.
Am talking about smoothness, controlling loop shape and line speed. As well as having a serious repertoire of casts, all being on a high level.
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Post Number:#8  Postby chris09 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:19 pm

Motivation, determination, commitment, casting buddies and a good teacher. The latter became very apparent after having some one to one time at the recent AAPGAI event.
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Post Number:#9  Postby Lasse Karlsson » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:26 pm

Hi Bernd

Very interesting question!

First of for me, would be sensible practice, there's really nothing in flycasting that can't be learned by yourself if you have ok motorskills. The biggest hinderence I see when teaching flycasting is the inability to control movements. Sense of avareness, placement in space and so forth. A friend once talked about flycasting being similar to dancing. If you have rythm and can move it all comes pretty natural.

If one hasn't got good motorskills, one needs to practice those first.

A good instructor is a good way to jump the learning curve, but without the skills to move and the will to practice, it is very much like buying another rod in the belief that it will make you a better caster.

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Post Number:#10  Postby VGB » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:32 pm

Bernd Ziesche wrote:In fly casting I have seen quite some very good casters, which I think would never make it to a top level in those other sports. So my question is how much of those physical and sensomotoric abilities do we really need to become a top fly caster?


Interesting comment and one that has bothered me. Sport has never been a problem for me but I have struggled with fly casting, same with my middle son. My eldest lad, who is not a natural sportsman in the traditional sense find it easy. Which particular abilities do you think that a fly caster needs that is not prevalent in traditional sports?

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