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Re: Slow down on the backcast

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:27 am
by Bernd Ziesche
bartdezwaan wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:56 pm
What would you try to get a student to slow down on the back cast?
Hi mate,
all humans (free of age) ime have strong desire to match voice and movements. Having said this I make my student speak and cast and then he/she right from the start matches both.
Try this yourself:
Speak "whuuuuuUUMP" (UUMP staying for a SUDDEN, sharp and loud pronouncing, while the beginning whuuuuu you pronounce smooth) and at the same time you try to keep acceleration smooth. Not easy to get this working! :p

Instead speaking "whuuuuuump" (speak smooth without any sudden change in pronouncing) and casting smooth either works pretty well.
I use this tool of matching the right words being pronounced in a way matching the movement I am looking for a lot and it is among my best teaching tools in reagrd of fast and proper results as well as supporting huge steps in the progress for my students.
Regards
Bernd

Re: Slow down on the backcast

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:35 am
by Bernd Ziesche
Paul Arden wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:49 pm
You can fix this just with the “squeeze stop”.
What exactly is that about and how does it work, mate?
Cheers
Bernd

Re: Slow down on the backcast

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:43 am
by bartdezwaan
Hi Bernd.
Paul might explain it better. I told my student to slowly come backwards and at around 1 o-clock when he wants to stop the rod, squeeze the handle.
I think because he was focused on squeezing late, at the start he was holding the rod gentle and accelerating slowly.
To be honest, I didn't think it was going to work, but it did.

Cheers, Bart

Re: Slow down on the backcast

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:00 pm
by Bernd Ziesche
That's interesting. I prefer to have the rod hand relaxing the grip close the end of rotation. Anyway, I'll keep it in mind and give it a go.
"Squeezing stop" reminded me to a video, in which one of the guys of the Leland shop in the US said, that all distance casters squeeze around the stop.
I never bought into that though.

Re: Slow down on the backcast

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:07 pm
by Lasse Karlsson
Bernd Ziesche wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:35 am
Paul Arden wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:49 pm
You can fix this just with the “squeeze stop”.
What exactly is that about and how does it work, mate?
Cheers
Bernd
In the depths of Sexyloops:

http://www.sexyloops.com/carlos/bubblewrap.shtml

Cheers
Lasse

Re: Slow down on the backcast

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:37 pm
by Paul Arden
It takes the force from a wide arc and puts it towards the end. On the pickup when dealing with a wide loop I ask them to try to tail by shocking the rod. It’s possible to tail but not easy and virtually impossible by shocking only. Both are really just resolving force application issues.

Cheers, Paul

Re: Slow down on the backcast

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:30 pm
by Bernd Ziesche
Lasse Karlsson wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:07 pm
Bernd Ziesche wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:35 am
Paul Arden wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:49 pm
You can fix this just with the “squeeze stop”.
What exactly is that about and how does it work, mate?
Cheers
Bernd
In the depths of Sexyloops:

http://www.sexyloops.com/carlos/bubblewrap.shtml

Cheers
Lasse
Thanks Lasse!
Paul (Lasse),
Great explanation by using the bird!
So, if I understand this correct, it's more of squeezing motion for the final (positioned at the very end of the stroke) rotation and then relaxing during straightening, right? If so, to me it means squeezing during rotation, not the stop (including straigthening).
Makes sense?
Regards
Bernd

Re: Slow down on the backcast

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:09 pm
by Paul Arden
Yes when you think about stopping the rod and squeeze the hand there is a small quick rotation and acceleration. I’m sure that this is one reason why the “stop” is considered so important. It’s not really a stop at all, as most people do it, rather it is an abrupt fast casting arc/rotation.

However if you teach it as “a squeeze stop” it works too because this all naturally happens :D

Cheers, Paul