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Too wide a casting arc...
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Re: Too wide a casting arc...
I think i might fish with a '#7' outfit when i next go fishing and bang a #5 barrio line on it. The look on someones face when they ask to have a go will be priceless
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Re: Too wide a casting arc...
I know a good instructor that can help you with your castPaul Arden wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:26 pm
I have a few sinking lines - Leviathan - that as far as I can work out can only be thrown about 90 feet, neither shorter nor longer, and always collapse on roll out. The only way I can get turnover is to stand on the bloody line! (and then they tuck!)
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Re: Too wide a casting arc...
Barrio Slx?nicholasfmoore wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:29 pm I think i might fish with a '#7' outfit when i next go fishing and bang a #5 barrio line on it. The look on someones face when they ask to have a go will be priceless
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Re: Too wide a casting arc...
I think it has to do with the weight of the head and the friction (lack of) coming from the shooting/running(?) line. But it’s not very practical. When I fish sinking lines I need to be able to position the fly and line accurately. Mostly it’s about fishing around the edges of submerged structure. For this a DT line is much more practical. A big aerial mend or a curve cast allows you to track the fly right around a fallen tree giving you a three dimensional curve. That’s something that even spin fishers can’t get!
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Hi Paul,
I think i can see where you are going with this, i'm not sure if i was talking to you or someone else before, but i can't cast those sorts of lines anywhere near as long as a DT, MED, your line or the Barrio GT125. Did you find the 170 helped to relieve the 'tuck cast' problem?
Thank's for your thoughts btw, maybe the answer is to not use shooting heads
It's a nice 1 up for us fly anglers that's for sure. I don't know about your fishing Paul, but i use the overpowered curve a lot for fishing. There is a platform at the local which has a tree on the left, and A LOT of trout hang round there, if you can do a curve cast you can usually catch one every time, until they realise what's going on and they move further and further into the bank which does test you!
All the best
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I think i can see where you are going with this, i'm not sure if i was talking to you or someone else before, but i can't cast those sorts of lines anywhere near as long as a DT, MED, your line or the Barrio GT125. Did you find the 170 helped to relieve the 'tuck cast' problem?
Thank's for your thoughts btw, maybe the answer is to not use shooting heads
It's a nice 1 up for us fly anglers that's for sure. I don't know about your fishing Paul, but i use the overpowered curve a lot for fishing. There is a platform at the local which has a tree on the left, and A LOT of trout hang round there, if you can do a curve cast you can usually catch one every time, until they realise what's going on and they move further and further into the bank which does test you!
All the best
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Re: Too wide a casting arc...
Yes I use overpowered curve casts all the time (well not ALL the time ) when throwing flies into the bank. Casting flies into the bank isn’t as successful here as it might be for Barra, Bass etc, but at certain times of the year around dawn and dusk it can work very well - generally for the smaller fish but it’s so much fun I do it anyway. Casting in and around fallen trees is another matter and you can find some interesting activity here.
The other time I use it is for taking a shot around babies to an adult Snakehead. This is very cool - because of the high speed shots all we need to do is tilt the casting plane to about 45 degrees and the fly will curve 45 degrees, enough to go around the babies. No need for pullbacks and quite frankly in a 1-2s shot where accuracy is required, and you only get one attempt, then you need something that works first time, every time.
Yes these Leviathan lines need to be cast stopless. In fact the best way to cast them is with big windscreen wiper casting arcs and less line speed. I haven’t thrown them for a couple of years now since I do in fact own DT sinking lines! I suppose if you are dredging channels they are fine, but if you are casting around structure they are pretty hopeless IMO.
Which reminds me, now I know how to measure flylines density in the kitchen I can measure the Chinese sinking lines.
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The other time I use it is for taking a shot around babies to an adult Snakehead. This is very cool - because of the high speed shots all we need to do is tilt the casting plane to about 45 degrees and the fly will curve 45 degrees, enough to go around the babies. No need for pullbacks and quite frankly in a 1-2s shot where accuracy is required, and you only get one attempt, then you need something that works first time, every time.
Yes these Leviathan lines need to be cast stopless. In fact the best way to cast them is with big windscreen wiper casting arcs and less line speed. I haven’t thrown them for a couple of years now since I do in fact own DT sinking lines! I suppose if you are dredging channels they are fine, but if you are casting around structure they are pretty hopeless IMO.
Which reminds me, now I know how to measure flylines density in the kitchen I can measure the Chinese sinking lines.
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Re: Too wide a casting arc...
Yeah, shooting heads suck for distancenicholasfmoore wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:09 pm
Thank's for your thoughts btw, maybe the answer is to not use shooting heads
All the best
Nick
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Re: Too wide a casting arc...
I knew you'd post a video
Lovely casting, Lasse! Although you knew that anyway
All the best
Nick
Lovely casting, Lasse! Although you knew that anyway
All the best
Nick
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Re: Too wide a casting arc...
I’m quite sure were I to live around the Baltic Sea I would be fishing shooting heads all the time. Repetitive long searching casts coupled with wading makes them the obvious choice.
I could say something similar about fishing sinking lines loch-style, but I never found it necessary because it’s quite easy to cast a full sinking line in a boat - and has the advantages of less tangles.
But any time that I have to accurately cover rising fish, or better still need to take shots at visible targets, which is what I mostly do anyway, then shooting heads really suck!!!
Do you guys ever fish a team of three flies on a shooting head?
Cheers, Paul
I could say something similar about fishing sinking lines loch-style, but I never found it necessary because it’s quite easy to cast a full sinking line in a boat - and has the advantages of less tangles.
But any time that I have to accurately cover rising fish, or better still need to take shots at visible targets, which is what I mostly do anyway, then shooting heads really suck!!!
Do you guys ever fish a team of three flies on a shooting head?
Cheers, Paul