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bartdezwaan
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Lasse Karlsson wrote:Tor and Bernt are the only ones using rods that has said 8 or higher to win
Hi Lasse.
Dimtri also uses a #9. I don't know who won the other one.
It would be interesting to see what rods all the top 6 finishers where using.

Anyway, I am not trying to find my right. Maybe one day we will all agree on this

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Cool, I remembered wrong them, was sure it was a guideline 7 in Estonia

Nevertheless, I don't mind either, it's just the "stiffer rods casts further" being thrown around so often, that you'll get tired of it.
Paul often says that of you over line your rod, you bought the wrong rod, and then writes either 5 or 10 on the same blank

Half weight lines and shite

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Lasse

PS. Just dug out the numbers I did way back, so better post them here:
5 rods of differing ERN

Sage XP 590: ERN 5,5 AA 70
Sage TCR 590: ERN 7,4 AA 72
Streamstix T5: ERN 9,0 AA 75
Echo ION 1090: ERN 11,6 AA 75
Echo 3 1290: ERN 13,7 AA 70

Line ED 5 weight (well used Wink )

I did first 5 casts with each, starting with the XP and going stiffer, then did another round of 5 going softer after I got to the 12 weight.
Conditions where basicly no wind with the occasional gust, just around sunset so the dew fell during the exercise.

Also did a max carry with each just to see the numbers..

XP Avg.: 34,6 m Longest: 36,1 m Carry: 27,3 m

TCR Avg.: 35,6 m Longest: 37,6 m Carry: 29,2 m

T5 Avg.: 34,5 m Longest: 38,1 m Carry: 28,5 m

ION Avg.: 35,2 m Longest: 38,4 m Carry: 28,1 m

E3 Avg.: 36,4 m Longest: 38,3 m Carry: 27,1 m

I need to do this indoors this winter to check, and to do it while warm, cast cold due to fading light Blush So the stiffer rods basicly got the advantage, should have gone the other way around too, but it got too dark to see the line on the delivery..

But some interesting results never the less Smile

Went out again this afternoon to try it in reverse order (12 first all the way down to 5 and up) And took the rod I usually throw 5 weight distance with to get a reference point.

XP Avg.: 36,2 m Longest: 37,2 m Carry: 26,5 m

TCR Avg.: 38,5 m Longest: 39,3 m Carry: 28,1 m

T5 Avg.: 37,4 m Longest: 38,9 m Carry: 28,6 m

ION Avg.: 38,6 m Longest: 39,3 m Carry: 26,8 m

E3 Avg.: 37,1 m Longest: 39,1 m Carry: 27,2 m

Control rod:

TCX 690 Avg.: 39,3 m Longest: 40,3 Carry: 28,8 m

Data on the TCX ERN 8,4 AA 74.

And I think the control rod answers Mike's question pretty clearly, it's definetly the one I would choose for competition Wink

Now I just have to redo indoors to get a third set of data in a controlled enviroment Smile

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Lasse Karlsson wrote:Cool, I remembered wrong them, was sure it was a guideline 7 in Estonia
Maybe you are right. I noticed he was not using that white rod in Estonia.

Cheers, Bart

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I don’t train two-four hours per day Vince. It gets in the way of fishing. On the other hand much of that time was spent learning what I wanted to do. But still, I’ve never found that form since. I’m hoping that when I have a houseboat I’ll refind that form because I’ll be able to cast from a platform after dark. It would be nice to hit peak form again!

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Paul, I’m referring to technique as being a specific set of movements. If your technique is worse after 12 years of fiddling with your technique, maybe you should consider getting some independent coaching ? Physicians don’t really heal themselves.

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Paul, the following is an extract from a sports science paper that I was sent
The term technique is used widely but it is rarely defined. Writers presume that their audience has an understanding of the term; however, without a clear definition, it can be misinterpreted or misused. A general defiition of technique is a way of doing something’ (Chambers 20th Century Dictionary, 1972). Sport- related definitions of technique include: a specific sequence of movements or parts of movement in solving movement tasks in sports situations’ (Dictionary of Sport Science, 1992); the pattern and sequence of movements’ (Carr, 1997: 5); a particular process for resolving the problem of movement’ (Hochmuth, 1984: 114); and, more complexly, the motion activity specified by biomechanical principles of human motion which utilize motor features of movement and body structure to obtain the best sports result’ (Bober, 1981). Some authors (e.g. Cooper and Glassow, 1976: 112) avoid the term technique’ altogether and prefer to use the term `movement pattern’. These definitions and statements suggest that technique describes the relative position and orientation of body segments as they change during the performance of a sport task to perform that task effectively.
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Of course! That’s why we have casting meets, to get coaching. I’m always keen on getting as much coaching as possible. One of the best coaches I’ve had was Jon Allen. Rick taught me a shitload as well! Hopefully the guys down in KL will be able to sort me out. They don’t need to be independent. We all help each other in this sport.

To stay at the top of your game is very hard though. It takes many hours of regular practise. I don’t put 2-4hrs/day into distance casting any more. There is a feel that you only get with that sort of training. And everything - even casting training - has to fit around fishing.

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The use of #9 and #10 rods when distance casting MED5 makes sense when line out of rod tip weights easily 350gr what average properly rated WF10 head weights.

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Paul, I’ve only been responding to your point that your technique is not as good as it was 12 years ago. If you think you are doing everything possible then that’s great.

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crunch wrote:The use of #9 and #10 rods when distance casting MED5 makes sense when line out of rod tip weights easily 350gr what average properly rated WF10 head weights.

Esa
Agreed ESA but as Lasse points out there are people winning the WC with lighter weight rods. I suspect he’s trying to point out that physiological, anthropometric and neuromuscular characteristics effect performance but we only talk about stiff rods.

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