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Casting thoughts

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Post by Michal Duzynski » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:29 pm

Ciao guys
   I am not sure where I am going with it, maybe I am bored, maybe I miss compeating, or maybe I just miss talking about fly casting
 I don't know..., but after recent talk about rare taper in ST SHEAD, I did a video using dog ball launcher. I think of it as 2in1 as I have fun and my dog too.
 Anyway, launching the ball far far away requires very little effort, and that can convey to fly cast- not much effort= awesome result.
   Now, what is interesting, that a day after, my dog chewed on the ball and cracked it open. Using the same force, the same stroke- the cracked ball did not go as far as on the beginning.
   My thoughts- same stroke, same force application, but bad result. I tried to think about a new nn cracked ball as a loop under good tension, and day after the cracked ball with the same stroke and force felt like shooting head with too much overhang.
  My conclusion is:
After reading Berlin's posts about tension i did not understand much on the beginning,  but more I cast( distance) and more I try to figure it out what to improve in my casting I come to the conclusion that TENSION in the loop is the key....
   ....my thoughts about casting for today


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Mike

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Post by Paul Arden » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:41 pm

Hi mate,

The other conclusion you might jump to is that aerodynamics is the key :pirate:

Tension is an interesting one with the Shooting Head because too much of it and the head quickly unrolls. Too little and the loop turns to shit.

I think there are lots of things you can focus on. For me it’s like building my distance stroke. I focus on tracking, carry, haul, body shift and finally launch. I focus on each one in turn. Each are important.

Take the 5 Essentials for teaching. All five are important and they can all be whittled down to one. Commonly they are whittled down to the SLP. Me if I resolve them to one I like to end up with force application.

With regards the loop, Tension is certainly essential, but so too is momentum.

Great casting partner you have there! :D

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:14 pm

Too little, depends on how many flaws we put in there, remember, alot of people went out and fired of free flying shootingheads, and they all unrolled 😎

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Post by John Waters » Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:39 pm

Hi Michal,

Pity about next week, I’m sure a few more will happen next year as selection events for ICSF and FC World Championships. I just focus on speed but that requires the rod to be under tension from the start of the delivery stroke, some of which must just stretch the line whether that be flyline, mono or equivalent.

Good vid, know what you mean about boredom, I must get a life.

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Post by Michal Duzynski » Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:01 pm

Hi John, was really looking forward to Melbourne, but too many things pilled up at once.
I agree with tracking, speed, body movments, and maybe I got this already sorted in my mussle memory, that I dont even think about it when casting. I am brain storming what went bad with a bad cast and why 2min after my cast was awesome. It always comes to slack in the BC before delivery- meaning I try to carry too much, and sometimes it feels that the bc loop has soo muuch energy and then I deliver. All I think about before delivery is - do I have enough energy in that loop?, is there a enough tension ?
Mussle memory takes over the rest, speed, tracking( sometimes goes sideways :whistle: ), and body movement.

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A part from confiusing myself with weird fly casting thought I do go outside sometimes :D
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Post by Geenomad » Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:18 pm

Michal Duzynski wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:29 pm

After reading Berlin's posts about tension i did not understand much on the beginning,  but more I cast( distance) and more I try to figure it out what to improve in my casting I come to the conclusion that TENSION in the loop is the key....
G'day Mike
I agree line tension is a key driver of casting efficiency which is what you demonstrate with the ball launcher. I think the tension in the loop is an effect rather than a cause. Line tension is far more than just one of the 5 Essentials.

I have written about it in some detail from both perspectives - the meaning of slack and the importance of tension - so I won't repeat it all again here.
https://thecuriousflycaster.com/2019/02 ... -of-slack/
https://thecuriousflycaster.com/2019/10 ... ack-kills/

Our attention space is always limited. Tension is one those things we can focus on producing and benefit from without becoming distracted by all the things we need to do in combination and sequence to produce it. Wotifs and exceptions are likewise complications which can distract. Straight lines rule. :) :cool:

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Post by John Waters » Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:06 am

Hi All,

Always next year Michal. A few of us Victorians are casting each Saturday at one of three locations in Melbourne, training for next year. At this stage it is mainly technique training with some gear experimentation but we always have a fair dinkum hour in each day when we compete in the fly fishing gear and ICSF events.
If you want to come down for a session, you are most welcome.
The best fly distance caster I have ever seen has a singular focus in his competitive training sessions, namely his delivery haul. Methinks he may be correct.

John

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