Belgian and Spey casts twisting the line

[Paul Arden]

Hi chaps,

I’m having a interesting and possibly surreal conversation where Stuntman Ronan and Chris Dore don’t experience line twist with a Belgian Cast.

So can I take a poll please?

Since the line goes under the tip and over the tip, if you look down the line from the tip, this is the equivalent to putting one twist in the line. Right shoulder casting is an anti-clockwise twist. Same with the Single Spey off this side.

Easiest way to remove it is to cast or slip the line to bang the reel a few times - but there are other ways.

However, who manages not to get line twist build up from repeating this cast? And who does?

Thanks, Paul

[Bianchetti Ivan]

As for me (it's a personal opinion) you put a twist in the line, if going behind you hold the barrel high, if instead you drag the line sideways you don't use the tip to bring it under the loop, you use the starting position obviously it is a thought not a certainty.

[Paul Arden]

I wonder if the haul pulls the twists into the rod? I can see how casting directly over the tip on the backcast would possibly prevent twists, whereas a circular tip movement would create them.

Cheers, Paul

[Bianchetti Ivan]

Sorry google doesn't help me.

[Lasse Karlsson]

I only get the twists in the slack line behind the line hand, no slack, no twists...

Cheers
Lasse

[Thomas]

I only get the twists in the slack line behind the line hand, no slack, no twists...

Cheers
Lasse

This is the way it is for me too.

/Thomas

[Paul Arden]

So is it possible that the difference is that Chris and Ronan don’t slip line during the backcast? In other worlds if you slip line it gives the twist a chance to move below the hauling hand and if you don’t the twist untwists itself?

Cheers, Paul

[Lasse Karlsson]

No, it's the circular movement of the rod hand causing it.. Not the tip in most cases.
Hauling hand too....

Cheers
L

[Paul Arden]

No it can’t be. With a piece of rope (replacing the flyline) the only way I can get twists is by spinning the rope around. That is in effect what we do casting under and over the tip. For these twists to pass below the line hand we must be allowing them to move there from below the stripping guide.

Cheers, Paul

[Graeme H]

The line moving around the tip's axis must produce a twist in the line, but they are not letting that twist develop in the slack between hand and reel if they never let that line loose. It will stay above their hand and untwist itself naturally. Letting the line loose will let the twist transfer to below the hand and there it's trapped.

Cheers,
Graeme