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Belgian and Spey casts twisting the line

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Belgian and Spey casts twisting the line

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Post by Paul Arden » Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:48 am

Hi chaps,

I’m having a interesting and possibly surreal conversation where Stuntman Ronan and Chris Dore don’t experience line twist with a Belgian Cast.

So can I take a poll please? :D

Since the line goes under the tip and over the tip, if you look down the line from the tip, this is the equivalent to putting one twist in the line. Right shoulder casting is an anti-clockwise twist. Same with the Single Spey off this side.

Easiest way to remove it is to cast or slip the line to bang the reel a few times - but there are other ways.

However, who manages not to get line twist build up from repeating this cast? And who does? :laugh:

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Re: Belgian and Spey casts twisting the line

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Post by Bianchetti Ivan » Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:15 am

As for me (it's a personal opinion) you put a twist in the line, if going behind you hold the barrel high, if instead you drag the line sideways you don't use the tip to bring it under the loop, you use the starting position obviously it is a thought not a certainty.

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Post by Paul Arden » Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:23 am

I wonder if the haul pulls the twists into the rod? I can see how casting directly over the tip on the backcast would possibly prevent twists, whereas a circular tip movement would create them.

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Re: Belgian and Spey casts twisting the line

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Post by Bianchetti Ivan » Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:44 pm

Sorry google doesn't help me.

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:25 pm

I only get the twists in the slack line behind the line hand, no slack, no twists...

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Re: Belgian and Spey casts twisting the line

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Post by Thomas » Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:21 pm

Lasse Karlsson wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:25 pm
I only get the twists in the slack line behind the line hand, no slack, no twists...

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Post by Paul Arden » Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:47 pm

So is it possible that the difference is that Chris and Ronan don’t slip line during the backcast? In other worlds if you slip line it gives the twist a chance to move below the hauling hand and if you don’t the twist untwists itself?

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:26 pm

No, it's the circular movement of the rod hand causing it.. Not the tip in most cases.
Hauling hand too....

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Post by Paul Arden » Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:33 pm

No it can’t be. With a piece of rope (replacing the flyline) the only way I can get twists is by spinning the rope around. That is in effect what we do casting under and over the tip. For these twists to pass below the line hand we must be allowing them to move there from below the stripping guide.

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Re: Belgian and Spey casts twisting the line

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Post by Graeme H » Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:49 pm

The line moving around the tip's axis must produce a twist in the line, but they are not letting that twist develop in the slack between hand and reel if they never let that line loose. It will stay above their hand and untwist itself naturally. Letting the line loose will let the twist transfer to below the hand and there it's trapped.

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