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Belgian and Spey casts twisting the line

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Re: Belgian and Spey casts twisting the line

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:19 am

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No it can’t be. With a piece of rope (replacing the flyline) the only way I can get twists is by spinning the rope around. That is in effect what we do casting under and over the tip. For these twists to pass below the line hand we must be allowing them to move there from below the stripping guide.

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Re: Belgian and Spey casts twisting the line

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Post by Paul Arden » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:58 am

Even skipping over the line between the line hand and the reel won’t create lasting twists because both sides will twist by the same amount. What is required is for one end to be untethered, ie the bit outside the rod tip. :)

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Re: Belgian and Spey casts twisting the line

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Post by Morsie » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:02 am

Never had a problem with it. Always wondered what the fuss was about. I do use the cast a lot.

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Re: Belgian and Spey casts twisting the line

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Post by Bianchetti Ivan » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:44 am

I'm not sure I understood correctly, but if there is a twist going underneath, there must also be going over the line !?

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Re: Belgian and Spey casts twisting the line

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Post by Paul Arden » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:14 pm

If you spin line around your head you can see that the line twists. I’m now of the opinion that it’s by slipping line as the backcast unrolls that enables twist to slip beneath the line hand. I usually slip line at Loop Straight to cushion the “boing” (I don’t in distance competition). I think this is how it occurs.

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Re: Belgian and Spey casts twisting the line

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Post by Morsie » Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:07 pm

I guess this cast for me means heavy flies and/or windy days, and therefore a minimal amount of false casting, and if as you suggest Paul, slipping line contributes to twist, I tend to minimise slip and just let the thing go because of the first circumstances (heavy flies and wind). I'll strip the fly until I can see it, roll cast it out to lengthen the line, pick up, slip lift, backcast, maybe one more cast and wang, let it go. I wonder how Herr Goebestroiter got along.

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Re: Belgian and Spey casts twisting the line

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Post by Paul Arden » Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:57 am

Good point on the Austrian. He can’t have been getting twists either. I though everyone got them but when Chris and Ronan said they didn’t that’s why I got curious. I can assure you many people get them :laugh: Nice to know how to avoid it!

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Re: Belgian and Spey casts twisting the line

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Post by SevenWeight » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:14 pm

Line twist is a fact of life for micro spey casting (in my experience, anyway).... So much so that Ed Ward did a video about how to untwist it if you don’t have the opportunity to drag it behind a boat.

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