Bernd Ziesche wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:58 am
Lasse Karlsson wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:41 pm
For me it is most likely a wave, it's put there by the rodtip (aka. the casters actions) and accentuated with sag. Minimize the mostion that puts it there and minmize sag, and it all but disappears.
1. At what section of the stroke and in which stroke (same cast as the dangle or the pre cast) does the tip cause the dangle?
2. What tip movement in particular causes the dangle?
3. So, what tip motion to be minimized?
4. Since it's a wave for you, where does it start and where does it end (direction of travelling)?
5. What causes the sag in your view, tip movement either?
Lasse Karlsson wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:12 pm
Have a look at Aitors last fine video, its clear to see
1-4
And 5, sag is clearly caused by our old friend gravity
Hi Lasse,
obviously I had seen all Aitor's fine videos. My question wasn't about what I saw in those videos (which I of course knew), but what you saw in there. I was here to learn...
Maybe you can't remember, but while some instructors saw a (micro) tailing loop caused by Carl's MPR tip dip and rise, others saw a tension-based wavy fly-leg within a proper fly cast presenting a fine loop. Always inspiring to hear what others see.
This thread is just another fine example. I provided all the information needed and addionally linked "Aitors last fine video" to answer the initial question. Still some instructors keep claiming, that violating the 180 concept causes (or can cause) tailing loops, yet without any proves. I am fine to agree to disagree.
About gravity causing the line sag I agree to disagree either. Same gravity is always acting. Obviously it's the other forces at play varying and thus causing all different line shapes. I can change the dangle on purpose, but yet did not succeed in adjusting gravity to my casts.
Cheers
Bernd
P.s.: Since this thread now easily may run into 1000 postings, while most probably ending up in renaming the dangling end (as it was named 20 years ago) into a harmonic oczillating wavy tensioned pirouette loop, I am out.