Why would it be any different?Mike Heritage wrote:Bernd, can you make a spey or JR with a non flexible lever?
I take leverage to be all rod movement up to butt stop. In an o/h cast the leverage part will have a considerable effect on line acceleration, in a spey it won't, it will (mainly) only bend the rod. As I see it.
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Hi MikeMike Heritage wrote:Bernd, can you make a spey or JR with a non flexible lever?
I take leverage to be all rod movement up to butt stop. In an o/h cast the leverage part will have a considerable effect on line acceleration, in a spey it won't, it will (mainly) only bend the rod. As I see it.
Mike
I can make a spey or a jumproll with a non flexible lever.
Your second second paragraph I don't get?
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Sorry Aitor, I must have missed something, how can the anchor load the rod?
Ok, so we accelerate the line before butt stop. To the same degree as an o/h cast? I don't see how as we are accelerating around the D loop and the fly often hasn't even left the water until RSP or later.
Mike
Ok, so we accelerate the line before butt stop. To the same degree as an o/h cast? I don't see how as we are accelerating around the D loop and the fly often hasn't even left the water until RSP or later.
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Hi Mike
Aitor is being ironic
Anchor does not load the rod.
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Aitor is being ironic
Anchor does not load the rod.
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No idea Mike. That is a question for the Skagit guys but since they haven't provided a single visual proof so far...Mike Heritage wrote:Sorry Aitor, I must have missed something, how can the anchor load the rod?
Mike
If you apply an acceleration X to some mass you apply a force. If after that you fold the line in half the mass is 1/2; if you apply the same acceleration to that smaller mass the force applied is 1/2 of the previous one. The rod will react accordingly.
However a good amount of rod bend comes from the inertia of the rod itself.
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Thanks Aitor. I get the fact that we are accelerating the line prior to RSP but, intuitively, think there is more PE, ie, the rod load does more of the work, post RSP, than we would expect from a conventional O/H cast. One of Leftys sayings is that you are not making a fly cast until the fly is moving and on a lot of speys the fly doesn't even leave the water until RSP so the fly's acceleration must all come from the rod unloading phase.
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I get Lefty's point, but I don't think it can be taken too literally, least of all in the roll casts.
I think in terms of casting the line in the D loop; the line in the anchor being peeled off the surface of the water and dragged along for the ride, by the line in the D loop. Therefore, bigger D loop and smaller anchor is more efficient, provided we don't blow the anchor.
I think in terms of casting the line in the D loop; the line in the anchor being peeled off the surface of the water and dragged along for the ride, by the line in the D loop. Therefore, bigger D loop and smaller anchor is more efficient, provided we don't blow the anchor.
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Hi MikeMike Heritage wrote:Thanks Aitor. I get the fact that we are accelerating the line prior to RSP but, intuitively, think there is more PE, ie, the rod load does more of the work, post RSP, than we would expect from a conventional O/H cast. Mike
Why do you think it would do more in a spey than in a O/H?
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I asked the same thing. I'm getting used to being ignored though!Lasse Karlsson wrote:Hi MikeMike Heritage wrote:Thanks Aitor. I get the fact that we are accelerating the line prior to RSP but, intuitively, think there is more PE, ie, the rod load does more of the work, post RSP, than we would expect from a conventional O/H cast. Mike
Why do you think it would do more in a spey than in a O/H?
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The last book by Lefty shows how poor is his knowledge of what a jump roll is.
I hope that some time in the future casting certifications will forbid the use of the expression "rod loading" in tests: obviously it only leads to misconceptions.
I hope that some time in the future casting certifications will forbid the use of the expression "rod loading" in tests: obviously it only leads to misconceptions.