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Haul adjustment, when to stop rod & line hand

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Post by Paul Arden » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:03 am

I'm not talking distance casting where the haul no doubt accelerates all the way through with enough force to retard the tip straightening. I'm talking false casting with a haul on a shorter carry. I can feel RSP because the tension disappears during the haul. Can you video yourself of a 40 ft gentle cast with hauling, Lasse?

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Post by John Waters » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:16 am

Hi Bernd,

Would you have a clearer still of Steve's haul hand at leg position in the above sequence of stills?

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Post by Bernd Ziesche » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:00 am

Hi John,
he is too fast :D
But maybe this can help?
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Post by John Waters » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:38 am

He sure is Bernd, fastest haul in the west (and the east as well). I think he has releases at that point.

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Post by Bernd Ziesche » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:54 am

I think John, we maybe have to take into account the speed of the haul, too.
The faster the line thru the rings is, the longer it will take to make it going opposite direction. So I think everyone has to find his best point to release the line (when it comes to distance that is).
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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:34 am

Paul Arden wrote:I'm not talking distance casting. here the haul no doubt accelerates all the way through with enough force to retard the tip straightening. I'm talking false casting with a haul on a shorter carry. I can feel RSP because the tension disappears during the haul. Can you video yourself of a 40 ft gentle cast with hauling, Lasse?

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Will that so, or sound I get one with markers on?

IF tension diappears doesn't that mean that your haul no longer is accelerating the line?

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Post by John Waters » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:58 am

I think you will see Steve's haul hand open at his leg not later, because that is when it is moving fastest and the impact on the line is greatest.

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Post by Paul Arden » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:51 am

Hmm, difficult to pick there Lasse. It would be better to film from the other side, but it certainly appears that your haul finishes close to RSP. When casting a short line (shorter that that), with minimal force and no hard stops, my haul definitely goes through RSP, and I can actually feel the Tension change.

[QUOTE]IF tension diappears doesn't that mean that your haul no longer is accelerating the line?{/QUOTE]
Yes absolutely, beyond this it is achieving nothing apart from maybe affecting the formation of the loop. I think its purpose is to increase line speed to RSP. The way I see it, is normally, we haul through this point.

I'm curious to see you have hard stops in there. When Jon Allen came along with his second rod handle attachment, there was a difference between everyone's stops when and when not double hauling. Everyone's cast with double hauling felt "stopless". But I realise that there are many combinations. I'll try to shoot some video when out of the city later this week.

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:36 pm

Hi Paul

If the sun comes out tomorrow around noon I'll shoot some casts with a shorter line from the other side and in higher speed (camera) as well.
If not it'll have to wait for sometime next week...

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Post by Mike Heritage » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:49 pm

How do you teach or even learn to adjust haul timing, especially on distance casting? It takes takes an extraordinary caster to be able to make minute changes in haul timing. I can think of only three people I know who might be capable of it....and I'm not one of them.

The problem is not always when the haul finishes that's the problem. Release only has to be delayed a micro second and you are well into counterflex or even rsp2.

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