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Should foreigners pay more to fish in Europe?

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Post by Paul Arden » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:04 pm

What does the Board think about a double tiered rod license and permit costs for foreigners?

The arguments are,

1) they can afford it
2) they weren't born here
3) no one likes foreigners because they're different
5) we could use the extra money for cleaner rivers and more beer.

I'm only thinking about those countries which do the same to us. Everywhere else where we are welcomed as equals guests should be treated the same and made to feel most welcome :cool:

Of maybe we should just not let them fish here :p

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Post by petevicar » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:33 pm

It should be mandatory to fish with a guide for Canadians and Icelanders.
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Post by Paul Arden » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:37 pm

I think that's only Quebec, Pete. BC residents should have course be made to pay an additional daily fee and not be allowed to fish our better rivers on weekends!
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Post by Rick B. » Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:36 am

Paul Arden wrote:What does the Board think about a double tiered rod license and permit costs for foreigners?

The arguments are,

1) they can afford it
2) they weren't born here
3) no one likes foreigners because they're different
5) we could use the extra money for cleaner rivers and more beer.

I'm only thinking about those countries which do the same to us. Everywhere else where we are welcomed as equals guests should be treated the same and made to feel most welcome :cool:

Of maybe we should just not let them fish here :p

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Post by Paul Arden » Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:48 am

I don't like the spirit of it, and to me it has negative undertones of you're not really welcome here. They've actually just brought out a foreigners license in NZ. I haven't fished NZ for quite a few years - the exchange rate is a bit of a killer now - but I did spend a lot of time out there. Almost 20 seasons.

Something I started to notice maybe 7 years ago was the growing discontent with foreigners fishing "their water". There were articles in magazines about whether they should be charged more or made to fish with a guide. I think essentially they were driven by jealousy. You have the situation on the flip side where a local gets one day off to fish and he finds that some foreigners are already fishing his river or have camped there etc etc. And so this license introduction to me is just an extension of that. I guess they've had enough of us!!

The next logical step is to do as they do in parts of BC and restrict those fishing on the foreigner's license from fishing the most popular rivers on weekends and bank holidays. I think we're probably quite a few years from that but once you open the gate it's interesting to see what comes through it.

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Post by al greig » Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:51 pm

Hi Paul,

I see they have set the NZ visitors' permit at just a bit higher than the residents' ticket. Its still an incredibly good deal for a visiting angler, though, wouldn't you agree? I didn't experience any ill will on any of my trips, but I wasn't really fishing in places where that might be an issue. I was asked about about it though, a couple of times. The locals I spoke to were broadly in favour, and that was as far back as 2004. Same year I met you there, in fact. I said I'd happily pay more.

I suppose if it goes a little way to off-set a bit of resentment, then fair enough. We don't do it in the UK, obviously, but the fishing experience is different here.

I agree with you that it'll be interesting to see how things develop. For Wealthy travelling anglers doubling or trebling the fee, or more, probably wouldn't make any difference. But with exchange rates the way they are now, and increasing air fares, going there now for the average bloke is becoming a bit of a stretch. Still don't think the Permit is a deal breaker at present levels though.

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Post by Paul Arden » Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:11 pm

I suppose if it goes a little way to off-set a bit of resentment
This is my problem with it. Far from off-setting resentment I think it builds upon it.

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Post by Paul Arden » Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:24 am

They should just hang a big sign up saying "we don't welcome foreigners any more".
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Post by Rick B. » Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:04 pm

Paul Arden wrote:They should just hang a big sign up saying "we don't welcome foreigners any more".
Maybe the sign should say "Keep your dirty money at home!". I'm sure the hotels, restaurants, guides, B&B's, & outfitters, really don't want to make a "Living", anyway...
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Post by Paul Arden » Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:46 pm

I reckon I've spend 80-100,000 pounds directly into the NZ economy over the two decades. For 18 years I would earn money in Europe and spend it in NZ. That's a lot of money and I don't have anything to show for it, just a few photos and of course a fantastic time. But it's not about the money for me; it's the message. And you can say it's not a real message and I'm reading too much into it, but I was spending time there when it evolved, so I know what drove it. And if that's how people feel about visitors then fine, I'm not bloody going there! I'm not paying to be a second class citizen. Basically we've outstayed our welcome, that's how I see it.

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