PLEASE NOTE: In order to post on the Board you need to have registered. To register please email paul@sexyloops.com including your real name and username. Registration takes less than 24hrs, unless Paul is fishing deep in the jungle!
Create rotation without using wrist
Moderators: Paul Arden, stesiik
Create rotation without using wrist
Casting in a near vertical rod plane is it possible to create rotation without using the wrist?
Lou
Lou
- Jason Borger
- Posts: 126
- Joined: Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:25 pm
Create rotation without using wrist
Jason
Buy bending at the waist (rocking) , locking wrist then lifting (rotating) elbow?
Lou
Buy bending at the waist (rocking) , locking wrist then lifting (rotating) elbow?
Lou
Create rotation without using wrist
I'd also have to say yes. My longer backcast is mostly performed with the rod-butt tucked against my forearm. The wrist really only comes into play after I've made the stop and I let the rod get out of the way of the oncoming line.
Most of the rotation in that back cast comes from rotating the elbow in the axis of the humerus.
Cheers,
Graeme
Most of the rotation in that back cast comes from rotating the elbow in the axis of the humerus.
Cheers,
Graeme
FFi CCI
Create rotation without using wrist
Graeme
I can see what you describe. I do the same...Suttle ways we create rotation besides using our wrist.
Thanks
Lou
I can see what you describe. I do the same...Suttle ways we create rotation besides using our wrist.
Thanks
Lou
- Paul Arden
- Site Admin
- Posts: 19528
- Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:20 am
- Location: Belum Rainforest
- Contact:
Create rotation without using wrist
Yes but it’s difficult to delay rotation without using the wrist and you need to change how you grip the rod (cradle/finger grip).
Cheers Paul
Cheers Paul
- Jason Borger
- Posts: 126
- Joined: Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:25 pm
Create rotation without using wrist
Not really adding more body movement, compensating instead with arm movement (esp. into last half or so of stroke) and to a very limited degree, some finger movement (you can see the grip I was using in that shot). Don't know technically if my finger movement was timed well enough to really matter, but at least I tried. Finger motion-capture next time!Lou Bruno wrote:Jason
Buy bending at the waist (rocking) , locking wrist then lifting (rotating) elbow?
Lou
Of course, in order to get from A to B with my casting stroke, the rod has to rotate (turn over). It's the degree of rotation normally added via wrist that has to be tweaked with alternate compensation.
I found that shorter range casting actually required more focus to replace the lost wrist movement. Not all that surprising, but it was interesting to feel it in action. By using the fiberglass cast, the distraction of trying to lock my wrist manually was removed, which allowed other sensations to be perhaps more obvious (again, hardly a technical analysis, but seat-of-the-pants feedback is still useful).
And if anyone is wondering, no, I did not break (as in "ouch!") my wrist. Just a cast set up to remove the wrist from the equation. Set up time was long enough that I could mold it a bit with my favored grip and get the rod into a good spot.
I grew up surrounded by fish, flies, and water.
Create rotation without using wrist
I'm voting you president of the casting geeksJason Borger wrote: And if anyone is wondering, no, I did not break (as in "ouch!") my wrist. Just a cast set up to remove the wrist from the equation. Set up time was long enough that I could mold it a bit with my favored grip and get the rod into a good spot.
- Jason Borger
- Posts: 126
- Joined: Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:25 pm
Create rotation without using wrist
FWIW, the motion-capture session that photo was from helped to produce this little document:
http://flycastinginstitute.com/researchfiles/okeefe_isb2005.pdf
http://flycastinginstitute.com/researchfiles/okeefe_isb2005.pdf
I grew up surrounded by fish, flies, and water.
Create rotation without using wrist
That's interesting Jason. I see one of their findings was:Jason Borger wrote:FWIW, the motion-capture session that photo was from helped to produce this little document:
http://flycastinginstitute.com/researchfiles/okeefe_isb2005.pdf
"Those who fished 10 days/year or less were more likely to have a wrist velocity much higher than shoulder or elbow velocities and those who were more experienced (i.e. fishing guides) had a much higher shoulder velocity."
Cheers,
Graeme
FFi CCI