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Straightening the bottom leg of the loop

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Re: Straightening the bottom leg of the loop

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:41 pm

Bart, did you try your old technique?



Carry wise I agree with Paul, 170 technique was and is the game changer for more line, and definetly velocity of the line, but going all out and hitting or almost hitting the ground also have the line coming forward low, and max carry and tall grass are not a great mix and one needs immaculate timing not to tick. I hope to get there one day
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But for more moderate (few feet shorter carry :p) pull back works wonders and helps keeping things high without that spot on timing.



After all, it's line velocity we want to combat that old frenimy gravity :D

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Re: Straightening the bottom leg of the loop

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Post by bartdezwaan » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:31 pm

Lasse, I tried loads of different things today.
Also my old style.
Long story short, I can’t carry more than 84ft without ticking the high grass.
That is less than I would like in low wind conditions, but still gives me decent distance.

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Re: Straightening the bottom leg of the loop

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:54 am

Have you checked the head length on your line?
And get faster 😉

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Re: Straightening the bottom leg of the loop

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Post by bartdezwaan » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:52 am

I didn't check it. Will do.
I am fast as hell! :666:

It seems like there is always a little bit of sack in the line. Which is enough to make it tick.
I could not find a lot of clear video material, but I found this video of Paul in Malaysia.


His line looks pretty fast to me. Now go to 1.06 and try to pause the video where the line is at the lowest point. He seems to be ticking and this kind of ticking would completely ruin my cast at the place I am currently practicing.

I am going to have a better look at this at the next BFCC meeting. There are quit some people there with a fast line, and I wonder if they are really not ticking.

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Re: Straightening the bottom leg of the loop

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:03 am

Hi Bart

Yeah, notice how Paul drops his rod tip, and the first bit of tiptravel is going upwards before the rod starts bending and moving the line forward? That little up movemement does a nice wave in the line, travelling backward and increase the dangle..

And that is a slow backcast, was Paul hungover :D

A friend of mine who sadly doesn't compete anymore and I was casting at a gathering once, he was carrying about 90 feet of line and almost ticking, just like Paul there, and a couple of cleverknickers asked him what use that was, since if he was wading waist deep he would hit the water behind him... His reply was, "I just speed up the line" and then shifted gear and the line started passing head height :oh:

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Re: Straightening the bottom leg of the loop

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Post by bartdezwaan » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:14 am

Seems like I’ve got some work to do :(

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Re: Straightening the bottom leg of the loop

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Post by Dirk le Roux » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:33 am

Bart, could you film the rear part of line during your back-cast from the beginning of roll-out up to the end of your forward stroke?

From these observations, I suspect the orientation of the trailing leg behind the sag, rather than the sag itself, to be responsible for the tick dangle going that low.

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Re: Straightening the bottom leg of the loop

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Post by bartdezwaan » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:08 am

Hi Dirk. I will make a video of it.
Would like a setting similar to Paul's video. It shows the line very clear.
Will look for a good place to shoot it and get back to it soon.

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Re: Straightening the bottom leg of the loop

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Post by Paul Arden » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:46 am

I’m guessing that is a video with the HT6 not HT10. It’s possible to use pull back to set an 88’ carry with the stiffer rod. Opening up fully as I used to do I find less effective with the rod stiffness we now use. Since Bart is using the same rod I agree with him!

However the best way to remove sag IMO is more speed and therefore more tension. Adding tension after the loop has unrolled is unimportant for me, I’d rather move to the optimal position for the forward cast and have the loop organise itself.

Having said that I will bear this all in mind when I’m back in Malaysia. Adding tension during loop unroll may make for a better starting position. I shall have a play - thanks Bart!

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Re: Straightening the bottom leg of the loop

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Post by Paul Arden » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:47 am

Christ that video is 10 years old :D
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