Lars FP about the bullhsitting line manufacturers

[Lasse Karlsson]

When rods had two weights written on them, there was no such thing as a short head wf....

Buy a DT

Cheers
Lasse

[Viking Lars]

So, Lasse, when you make a long cast, do you go for the heaviest line you can possibly carry on your rod, or one with which you can get a proper line speed without breaking your rod?

Line speed is king - mass is queen :-).

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[Lasse Karlsson]

I go for as much line velocity as possible, and as heavy as possible, speed is something yuppies snort...

Mass is still King, velocity is the Queen

Have you ever tried to break a rod casting a heavy line?

Cheers
Lasse

[Paul Arden]

WFs were around 40’. There were few long head examples!

I think you need to try trout or grayling fishing on small streams, Lasse! Or for that matter short-lining on lakes. Both are great fun.

Large mass and high line speed don’t actually work together that way. If the acceleration is the same then the lighter mass has greater velocity.

Cheers, Paul

[Lasse Karlsson]

Have you seen the Danish trout and grayling streams Paul

And yeah, but its also possible to throw a pingpong ball alot faster than a bowling ball, I know what I'll take for a accurate shot into a strong headwind.. Its easy to go outside applicable frames, velocity is finite for a caster, and within that, the heavier line goes furthest all else being equal.

Cheers
Lasse

[Paul Arden]

Yes and it’s easier to cricket ball than a shot putt The upper end has a problem just like the lower end. Anyway for me here I don’t need distance; I need speed! But it still comes back to the size of the fly / strength of the tippet for me.

Cheers, Paul

PS shot putt cricket would be much more interesting to watch!

[Viking Lars]

Lasse - yes, I’ve tried to break several rods with heavy lines and succeeded once. I’ve broken a few rods casting “normal” lines while certainly not trying to.

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[Paul Arden]

I have too of course. Many years ago Magnum brought down a 2 or 3WT with a 10WT line (or something like that) with the instructions to break it casting. We couldn’t. However I don’t think that is a good representation for all rods. There are plenty of rods out there that simply explode with a comp distance stroke - irrespective of line weight.

How did you get on with the target shots, Lasse?

Cheers, Paul

[Magnus]

Paul that was a 2 pce 8ft 3-weight Greys the line was a #10. I still have that rod, old style rod made using a lower modulus graphite, probably an intermediate mod., slowish action, by modern standards slow action and low stiffness. It must be 25 years old?

it seems like there was something self-limiting about all that, like you could not get enough speed going to snap the rod.

Thinking about the guide thread, rods breaking under playing stress can have something to do with guide positioning. The Fuji guide/tool matches guide position rod curve. As far as I know that's rare in fly fishing, meaning factory made fly rods.

Magnus

[Paul Arden]

Hi Magnus,

That’s interesting. The way we positioned guides is by bending the rod and fixing the guides so that when the line is pulled through it looks uniform (ie ever decreasing angles as the guide gap lengthens). I can definitely see how if this is not uniform that it would cause stress on the blank at this point.

Cheers,
Paul

PS I’m betting that 3WT could have been bent by hand more than we could bend it by casting. If the modulus is low enough I’ve seen them bent tip to butt.