Feel

[VGB]

Hi Paul

U12 down to about 7/8 years old. I’ve just been looking at the Redington Minnow, it’s built for fishing and heavier than I was using, it looks similar to the Echo Gecko.

Regards

Vince

[Paul Arden]

Did you get the 7-8yr olds to the point where the could false cast slipping line and shooting on the delivery? Ie can go fishing?

Cheers, Paul

[VGB]

Not in 20 minutes Paul, some may have shot a couple of inches of line but I didn’t check.

Regards

Vince

[John Waters]

“I don’t even really see when I’m doing my gymnastics,” he said. “It’s all in the hands. I can feel everything.”

“I definitely do have difficulty seeing in general. That’s why when I do take them off (his glasses) and I’m waiting for the judge to raise his hand, I’m really squinting and looking and looks like I’m so serious,” he said. “But honestly, I just try to see if he’s raising his hand yet.”

“When I’m actually on the equipment, I’m not necessarily looking at anything,” he said. “What I see is what I feel with my hands. They do all of that for me.”

"When he’s on the pommel horse, he’s doing it by feel, he said."

US pommel horse bronze medallist, Paris 2024.

John

[VGB]

What did he say about teaching fly casting John?

Regards

Vince

[VGB]

Doug Lemov - Coach’s Guide to Teaching

Perception and decision-making Ch. 1

A study of two pianists’ eyes while they play. Neither is especially aware of what their eyes do. Surprisingly, the more expert musician takes in less information, but the right information. Expertise is knowing where to look.

Some important things to know about perception as a coach:

What we see is subjective and we fail to see a great deal that is right in front of our eyes.

Alternatively, we can see something and react to it and not realize that we have seen it.

We are unaware of the great majority of our own actions and habits regarding perception.

We are rarely conscious of where we are looking when we play, for example.

Surprisingly, experts look at fewer things during performance than novices.

In many ways, the definition of their expertise is that they know where to look.

What we think of as poor decisions are often failures of perception instead.

Perception for an athlete is heavily visual but not exclusively so; auditory and sensory perception are also relevant.

[VGB]

Try standing on one foot with your other leg bent so your heel is against the side of your straight, supporting leg (what is known as the tree pose in yoga). Now close your eyes. Did you fall over? Hopefully not, but for most, the task of maintaining balance becomes more difficult. When we take away vision we must rely on our internal senses (signals coming from our joints, muscles, and tendons) to maintain balance and most of us are just not that sensitive to this information. One of the main reasons why is that we do not have a lot of practice using it. We spend most of the time acting with our eyes open and we are very visually dominant creatures.”

— How We Learn to Move: A Revolution in the Way We Coach & Practice Sports Skills by Rob Gray

[John Waters]

What did he say about teaching fly casting John?

Regards

Vince

Hi Vince,

About as much as the references posted here mention fly casting. I did not know fly casting was the benchmark for all comparative statements of sporting knowledge, even those made by Olympic bronze medallists, like Stephen Nedoroscik.

John

[VGB]

Hi John

I agree about fly casting but what about teaching and learning motor skills? A general inability to distinguish between performance and learning is a recurring theme in these discussions. Your pommel horse athlete is an elite performer and we are in the teaching section of the board.

Regards

Vince

[John Waters]

Hi John

I agree about fly casting but what about teaching and learning motor skills? A general inability to distinguish between performance and learning is a recurring theme in these discussions. Your pommel horse athlete is an elite performer and we are in the teaching section of the board.

Regards

Vince

I reckon Stephen was taught pommel horse technique Vince. He obviously was not an elite performer as a beginner. He may have shown talent for the sport early in his development, but like all elite performers, he would have been taught pommel technique as a beginner. Everyone starts as a beginner, do they not? I'm sure his coaches, and Stephen himself, were focused on learning, not performance, when he was a beginner.

As to learning motor skills, Stephen obviously developed high degrees of both gross and fine motor skills along his journey from beginner to Paris.

I think his comments are very relevant to the discussion in the teaching section, that's why I posted them.

John