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The Rod Loading Red Herring

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I asked,"Why do you think bend matters?" reply, "It turns rotation at the butt into a straighter path at the rod tip." I say, " If that is true then matching line weight to rod stiffness also matters" Then you say, "If that were true, we would not be able to cast with rigid rod." What is the relevance? We are not talking about rigid rods.
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I don't cast a "specific distance" when I am fishing.
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RSalar wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:32 am I asked,"Why do you think bend matters?" reply, "It turns rotation at the butt into a straighter path at the rod tip." I say, " If that is true then matching line weight to rod stiffness also matters"
In the course of fishing a single outfit on a chalk stream, I may carry anywhere between 0 and 40ft of line. Both line mass and rod stiffness are highly variable and caster ability matters far more than either the rod or line.
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VGB wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:39 am I don't cast a "specific distance" when I am fishing.
I do -- I see a fish rise 40 feet away. I then attempt to make a 40 foot cast. What do you do?
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RSalar wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:00 am Because in order for the rod tip to travel in a straight path the rod has to bend exactly the right amount at the exactly the right time.
Do you think all rods need to have the same stiffness for a given line weight?

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VGB wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:09 am If that were true, we would not be able to cast with rigid rod. Is there anything else that has a greater effect on tip path than rod bend?
Why don't you use a rigid rod? A rigid rod would solve all the line weight issues -- it would handle all line weights equally well. You could start a new trend ... and think about it, you'd put an end to all these new high tech rods with highly tunes actions. The Rigid Rod Co.
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Paul Arden wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:11 pm
RSalar wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:00 am Because in order for the rod tip to travel in a straight path the rod has to bend exactly the right amount at the exactly the right time.
Do you think all rods need to have the same stiffness for a given line weight?

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What makes you think that I think that? Do you disagree with my statement?
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You said for the tip to travel in a straight line the rod needs to bend the right amount. Stiffer rods bend less than softer rods, so which is the right amount?

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RSalar wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:07 pm I do -- I see a fish rise 40 feet away. I then attempt to make a 40 foot cast. What do you do?
I don't only fish from 40ft away from the fish.
these new high tech rods with highly tunes actions.
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Do you disagree with my statement?
Yes. Because we have other variables. We can change how much force we apply, we can change how we apply the force (torque/translation/some combination), we can change hand path during the stroke (eg Swoop/Thrust etc), and we can change the casting arc we utilise.

I have cast a rigid rod. I don’t like it much but the loops are incredibly tight and the fly leg needs to be straight to make this effective.

I personally think bend matters, and I don’t know anyone who would dispute that. In fact I spend a huge amount of time getting the bend the way I want it! I just don’t think it’s our primary objective when flycasting.

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