Re: Stop and SLP discussion
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 6:23 pm
I think smell is underrated.
You've spend too long without washing your socks dude....
I don't think so. Here's what those who made that video said:
Our mission is to lead the Paralympic Movement, oversee the delivery of the Paralympic Games and support members to enable Para athletes to achieve sporting excellence.
What I said::Jerome Avery inspires athletes and individuals impacted by disabilities to overcome adversity and see endless possibilities - both on and off of the track or field.
Exactly how I see it. Why telling disabled students what they can't do before the even have entered the lesson? I prefer to believe they can do more then I may expect. I don't understand my job in limiting their path by thinking about their limits. I feel precisely the opposite. My experience is, that disabeled students usually already have enough people telling them what they can't do anyway.Bernd Ziesche wrote: So why shouldn't someone blind become a proper caster, too. Still he might surprise us all.
I still don't see the point in this, because my students don't aim to participate or even win the WC. They just want to enjoy fishing. I have zero doubt, that blind people can fly fish, too. Castingwise I am sure they would make some good casters, too. You could also link videos presenting ppl. in a wheelchair within their limits. And yes, they too won't win the WC in distance fly casting. But I have seen them learn to cast quickly and who knows one may become an outstanding accuracy caster.VGB wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 6:37 am A 100m straight line sprint is a highly repetitive, low variability task. However the best unsighted sprinter in the world still needs assistance with it because his proprioceptive sense is not accurate enough for him to complete the task without significant errors. Without the continuous feedback of his guide, he would wander out of his lane.
I have no clue why I would let anyone start to cast without teaching him to adjust line length first. Very easy task. If that's what you'd do, maybe I should look for someone supporting me in my needs (no offense intended). That imo would be to have me start with a proper length of line. No different with students who have sight. I tell them what line length to start with. And not just that, in a group lesson I need to be able to figure or know how much line everyone is casting from a distance. So I may put marks!
Those students I had sitting in a wheelchair could not aim for 100m sprints, but they did just fine in fly casting.
I have a pretty different view on this. Just like fish, too we sometimes use one, sometimes a mix of several senses. But it is done for proper reason, that athletes (and by far not only athletes) at times shut down/block senses to support using the one, which matters most within a task. Of course this doesn't mean, that we don't have proper use for all senses in our lives.
Mark,Stoatstail50 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:42 pm The point being, still, that it is highly personal, totally subjective. I can't explain in any unambiguous, communicable way what it is that I "feel".
Fly fishermen indeed comletely failed to study how fish use their sense of smell. Most also failed to at least learn this from other angler's knowledge.
Nothing.So what does that say about using sight in teaching?
I don’t…but I would if they were painting my front door.Btw. do you ask students, if they can see colors, to make sure they at least see the world similuar to you?
You did BerndBernd Ziesche wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:07 pm Hi Vince,I don't think so. Here's what those who made that video said:
RegardsHe raced in 600 and 60-meter events with the track team at the Missouri School for the Blind in St. Louis – gripping a clothesline-like wire that ran alongside the track for assistance – and from there gradually transitioned to running with a guide.
“I was in very big denial of my sight, which is one thing, so there were times when I would run and I didn’t run with a guide because I thought I could see,” Brown says. He was diagnosed with Kawasaki disease at 15 months old, which resulted in glaucoma and ultimately losing his sight years later.
Brown continues: “I was able to see well enough to not necessarily stay in my lanes when I was racing, but I was able to see well enough to stay on the track.
The point is that fishing is a high variability task, almost diametrically opposed to 100m sprints. Do you think it’s easier to sit on a production line doing the same thing over and over again, or come up with a different solution when there’s a continually changing task and environment, like fishing?Bernd Ziesche wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:07 pm
So this was the point you wanted to make:I still don't see the point in this, because my students don't aim to participate or even win the WC. They just want to enjoy fishing.VGB wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 6:37 am A 100m straight line sprint is a highly repetitive, low variability task. However the best unsighted sprinter in the world still needs assistance with it because his proprioceptive sense is not accurate enough for him to complete the task without significant errors. Without the continuous feedback of his guide, he would wander out of his lane.