Bernd, you're kidding right?
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Lasse
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Lasse Karlsson
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Hi Lasse,Lasse Karlsson wrote:Bernd, you're kidding right?
which part?
Greets
Bernd
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The first cast is always the best cast.
The first cast is always the best cast.
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I think the 170 downward stop differs from the overhead cast in that it is less about transferring an impulsive force to the line and more about maximising the arc and dumping the excess energy from the large acceleration. I call it a downward stop because I think that your arm extension provides the stop for the loop formation and line speed generation.
If you look at the damping link I posted there are a number of ways of bringing the rod to a halt. Anywhere between 0 and 0.2 is characterised by large overshoots of the desired position and it takes a very long time to settle because it does not dump energy very well. I guess a stop of this nature would send some nice waves down the line.
Greater than 1 takes you to your desired position without overshoot, so no waves but you are cutting into the arc by the early deceleration that is taking energy out of the rod. 0.4 to 0.7 are the areas where we make the compromise between positional accuracy and controlling the energy dissipation. 0.7 is generally targetted by control engineers and designers as the critical damping point for servomechanical systems.
You don't have to take my word for it. Try a cast with a laser pen in your hand, you will see in your typical casting motion that there is usually a slight overshoot before you can stop the laser dot at the point you want.
regards
Vince
If you look at the damping link I posted there are a number of ways of bringing the rod to a halt. Anywhere between 0 and 0.2 is characterised by large overshoots of the desired position and it takes a very long time to settle because it does not dump energy very well. I guess a stop of this nature would send some nice waves down the line.
Greater than 1 takes you to your desired position without overshoot, so no waves but you are cutting into the arc by the early deceleration that is taking energy out of the rod. 0.4 to 0.7 are the areas where we make the compromise between positional accuracy and controlling the energy dissipation. 0.7 is generally targetted by control engineers and designers as the critical damping point for servomechanical systems.
You don't have to take my word for it. Try a cast with a laser pen in your hand, you will see in your typical casting motion that there is usually a slight overshoot before you can stop the laser dot at the point you want.
regards
Vince
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A little more than is required to deliver it with a 910 Helios 2, in my hands at least!James9118 wrote:Incidentally, how much arc do people think is the minimum required to deliver a 120ft cast, for example with a MED and TCR#5 combo?
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Ben
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The overshoot point is interesting.
It is the fear of doing this and breaking my rod that has prevented me giving the 170 a 'proper' try. I have seen it demonstrated with the rod rising back up automatically from the force of the cast. I fear that it would be easy to overshoot and leave a broken rod tip on or in the ground.
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It is the fear of doing this and breaking my rod that has prevented me giving the 170 a 'proper' try. I have seen it demonstrated with the rod rising back up automatically from the force of the cast. I fear that it would be easy to overshoot and leave a broken rod tip on or in the ground.
These Shakespeare Odyssey's aren't that cheap
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Hi Chris,
With a light grip and using speed rather than brute force when rotating you should not damage the rod by hitting the ground. For me, light grip, speed, smoothness and being relaxed are the keys to getting this to work.
Cheers
Ben
With a light grip and using speed rather than brute force when rotating you should not damage the rod by hitting the ground. For me, light grip, speed, smoothness and being relaxed are the keys to getting this to work.
Cheers
Ben
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It's damn hard to hit the ground with the rod...
App 70 degrees of wasted arc:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1IUaDgE ... QcJeyhNyPA
Cheers
Lasse
App 70 degrees of wasted arc:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1IUaDgE ... QcJeyhNyPA
Cheers
Lasse
Your friendly neighbourhood flyslinger
Flycasting, so simple that instructors need to make it complicated since 1685
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Flycasting, so simple that instructors need to make it complicated since 1685
Got a Q++ at casting school, wearing shorts
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Thanks Ben
The nights are starting to get lighter so I will get out soon and give your advice a try.
I've been practicing with a DH rod recently and although not related to the above scenario I have been using the lightest grip I've ever used with a very smooth and relaxed style. The results have been very encouraging.
The nights are starting to get lighter so I will get out soon and give your advice a try.
I've been practicing with a DH rod recently and although not related to the above scenario I have been using the lightest grip I've ever used with a very smooth and relaxed style. The results have been very encouraging.
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I will let you know if that's true for me in due course.Lasse Karlsson wrote:It's damn hard to hit the ground with the rod...
App 70 degrees of wasted arc:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1IUaDgE ... QcJeyhNyPA
Cheers
Lasse
Why is 70 degrees of the arc wasted. Are you saying the same results can be achieved with a reduced arc?