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Dangling End vs Tailing Loop

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Dangling End vs Tailing Loop

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Post by Paul Arden » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:12 am

Out of interest do we agree that breaking 180 trajectory causes a Dangling End and not a Tailing Loop?

I suppose it depends on the definition of Tailing Loop. If a Tailing Loop is defined around how the loops appears eg “a transvere wave in the fly leg that dips down and intersects the rod leg [in two places]” then a Dangling End can do this, in which case breaking 180 is a potential cause.

If on the other hand we define tails to be a consequence of rod tip path during the Casting Stroke eg “a tailing loop is a transverse wave above blah blah - as a result of a dip or buckle in the rod tip’s path during the Casting Stroke” then breaking 180 causes dangles and not tails.

I once saw a slow motion video from an afternoon casting together with Aitor and Alejandro of a loop that almost tailed but didn’t quite. The reason it almost tailed was because of the line configuration at the beginning of the forward cast (sag) leading me to believe that it might be possible to have a tail result of this alone. (Definition depending :p)

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Re: Dangling End vs Tailing Loop

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Post by stesiik » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:36 pm

Hi Paul!

Yes. Breaking 180 (less) is causing the fly/front to first dip and then climb. Being tossed up, then pulled down and then directed up again.

I am going to write a bit for others why it is most useful in many conditions to know about this thing.

In Piteå It is called the Hedman arrow. If you cast high front high back, the break in trajectory forms an arrow pointing to the ground. An efficiencent caster will tick, the fly passes where the arrow points to.

Hitting the ass and right handed? Well tracking scewed right plus high backcast and high forward cast. The arrow is set on your rectum.

Standing waded out. Not eager to hit the water? Backcast sightly down. Forward cast slightly down. The arrow points up. Fly and linetip passes you high.

Slight side wind on the casting hand? Right handed?Point the arrow a bit into the wind. Backcast in behind your back (left). Forward cast in left. Arrow pointing out. Fly passes safely on your right.

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Post by Paul Arden » Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:50 am

Thanks Stefan, that’s very insightful indeed. I hadn’t considered intentionally breaking it the other way!! That’s brilliant!

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Re: Dangling End vs Tailing Loop

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Post by stesiik » Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:37 am

Hi Paul!

Thanks!

We figured out the model to understand ticks better. It was Magnus and Fredrik who brougth it to the table originally.

Since then I have used it a lot in my fishing and I find new applications all the time. The first application was lake fishing. Waded out in high weeds, casting the backcast as low over them as possibly and aiming the forward cast down towards the water. That lifts the fly up as it passes you. Arrow pointing up. No snags!

The loops open up naturally. And the upper leg rises. But thats easy to compensate for with more speed/power. Then they morph into decent sharp anyway. Beats catching the brush.

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Post by Paul Arden » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:56 pm

Brilliant - I love it. I’ll play with it this week.

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Re: Dangling End vs Tailing Loop

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Post by jarmo » Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:55 pm

Paul Arden wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:56 pm
Brilliant - I love it. I’ll play with it this week.
If you find enough love for this, how about a video? We are intrigued.

It makes sense for sure. The tip is going to come back along the trajectory of the previous cast.

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Post by stesiik » Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:46 pm

Hi Jarmo!

Great idea!

I got a friend who can point on a spot on the ground beside him and then tick it with the fly! That would be a cool video. Havent seen Magnus in a while unfortunately so chances are small for that.

Experiment with it! Its not hard, just new! Falsecast as slow as you can with a huge fluff and learn to bend the cast as I love to call it! Good fun!

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