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Barbes vs barbless

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Re: Barbes vs barbless

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Post by nicholasfmoore » Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:50 pm

Hi all,

The first thing i would mention is eye protection. I wear glasses, but i also wear cocoons over them for extra protection, these wrap all the way around. I know a couple of master casting instructors that have had VERY close calls, so if it can happen to them it can happen to anyone.

This 'myth' that talks about barbless flies loosing fish is quite bizarre, i often hear it from the older generation of UK anglers and i think it comes from spinner and lure fishing for salmon. As i'm sure you know, one of the reasons a tube fly slides out of the way when you hook a fish is to prevent the fish from levering the hook out, as these tubes can weigh quite a lot. Lures are also quite weighty, and you can loose fish if these aren't barbed. Flies for still water trout especially don't weigh that much, so theres no need to fish with barbs, even a dog nobbler. :p When i used to fish for salmon and sea trout 'tup north' on the Wear, i never fished barbed flies, and i think i only lost 1 fish all season.

Advantages?

1. I think barbless flies give you a fantastic hook set as you don't have to overcome the increased surface area of the barb (all else being equal), try it with an old cloth with a barbed and de barbed fly. The de barbed fly will go in much easier :)

2. less injury to the fish, especially if you accidentally foul hook the poor thing

3. Safer for you, your equipment, and others. I have hooked my finger whilst tying on a fly and accidentally tripping over the leader. Trying to take out a barbed fly isn't worth thinking about.

4. if you keep tension, you are highly unlikely to loose the fish, unless it's not a good hook set, but the lack of a barb gives you one anyway :)

Disadvantages?

1. If you tie your own flies, a barbed hook might cost you more :cool:

All the best and tight lines

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Re: Barbes vs barbless

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Post by Paul Arden » Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:04 pm

Hi Nick,

I know that you mean barbless hooks cost more. I think that virtually all the hooks I use here in the jungle were originally barbed and I simply crush them. I would prefer that they had a slightly longer point and certainly specialist barbless hooks often do (not always). Anyway barbless variations of the hooks I commonly use here are unavailable. I’m typically using bonefish and other SW hooks. I haven’t found barbless substitutes but if anyone knows some I’d be very keen to see them.

I’m using Gamakatsu S13-4HS in 8 and 10 for Gourami. And B10S in 1 and 1/0 for Snakehead. I do find that usually the Gamakatsu bonefish hook good for one Gourami because they partly straighten them in the fight. The B10S is a seriously good hook and while I have straightened them occasionally I think those are individual hook faults and not representative of the range.

I’m constantly experimenting with hooks particularly for Gourami. One of the issues here is that I have to float them as dry flies.

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Re: Barbes vs barbless

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Post by nicholasfmoore » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:20 pm

Hi Paul,

Those are some heavy duty hooks, Paul! I must say that i haven't done much hook experimentation, i tend to stick to what i know in that regard :)

Do you use a lot of foam in your flies to help overcome the weight of the hook?

All the best

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Re: Barbes vs barbless

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Post by Paul Arden » Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:38 am

Yes all of my Gourami dries have foam bodies or backs. I started out with humpies with foam backs and now mostly use extended bodies. This has definitely been one of the challenges but a reasonably easy one to work with.

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Re: Barbes vs barbless

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Post by nicholasfmoore » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:25 pm

Sounds cool, Paul! :D
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Re: Barbes vs barbless

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Post by Paul Arden » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:45 am

It’s been and still is very interesting. The search and experimentation of different leader materials has been a revelation in many ways. I don’t think I’ve found a fish that deserves so much respect!

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Re: Barbes vs barbless

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Post by askel » Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:05 am

It is much more easier to remove barbless hook from your skin. Just showing how painful it is to remove barbed hook would work.

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Re: Barbes vs barbless

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Post by Paul Arden » Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:29 am

I’m not sure my students would come back if I gave them that demonstration :) Many years ago I had a friend hook himself past the barb under the thumbnail. I offered to pull it out but instead he decided to spend about an hour taking it out himself. I got the impression it was quite painful.

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