and what about a paralel /level/ silk fly line, isnt it better for fishingBen_d wrote: Is this leading up to some grand unified revolutionary theory regarding the rating system Bernd?![]()
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and what about a paralel /level/ silk fly line, isnt it better for fishingBen_d wrote: Is this leading up to some grand unified revolutionary theory regarding the rating system Bernd?![]()
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Ben
Does this include all levels of proficiency or just experienced casters?The question is, does a high percentage of casters prefer (almost) the same line weight for the given rod?
Hi Vince,VGB wrote:Hi Bernd
I'm lurking on this thread![]()
Does this include all levels of proficiency or just experienced casters?The question is, does a high percentage of casters prefer (almost) the same line weight for the given rod?
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Vince
alex vulev wrote:and what about a paralel /level/ silk fly line, isnt it better for fishingBen_d wrote: Is this leading up to some grand unified revolutionary theory regarding the rating system Bernd?![]()
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yeah, i think it works even better without a SHBernd Ziesche wrote:
p.s.: Alex, a level line works quite well behind a shooting head![]()
Hi BerndBernd Ziesche wrote: Let's take an example:
A student will ask me which Barrio SLX fly line to use on the HT fly rod.
On the Barrio website I find:
head length: 10m
WF4F-10 grams, WF5F-12 grams, WF6F-13.6 grams, WF7F-15.2 grams, WF8F-17.5 grams
The HT is quite stiff for a 6wt. rod in my book. ERN is 7,2 and AA 70.
The student probably will not cast with much of overhang but use the head length most of the times.
10 grams I think most fly fishermen would find significant too light on that rod.
12 grams I think still would feel very light to many of us.
17,5 gram I think will feel very heavy (in the average situation) on that rod.
So my recommendation would be in the 6-7 wt. corner for the SLX-HT combination.
Personally I would take the 7wt. here. But I could also think of the 6wt. for little more stiffness, if desired.
Especially on Spey casts (little less bend compared to overhead) I recommend the SLX 7wt. here.
Let's have an additional view to other fly lines:
Tellis offers a new Spey line:
#5 - 14 gram (12m head length)
#6 - 16 gram
#7 - 18 gram
I would recommend to use the 6wt. here (12m is little longer compared to the SLX head).
Loop Oti Stream
#5 - 12 gram (head: 10,8m)
#6 - 14 gram
#7 - 16,5 gram
#8 - 18 gram
I would recommend the 6wt. here. Maybe the 7wt. for a beginner in Spey casting.
So we find 13,6 - 16 gram for a 6wt. head in the length between 10 and 12m here.
All in all that (I think) matches well with the label "6wt." on the HT.
Which head weight would you recommend, Ben (let's talk SLX) and why is that?
(Your 6wt. Helios TF shouldn't be too different from the HT?)
Greets
Bernd
Hi BerndBernd Ziesche wrote:Hi Lasse,
I didn't (mean to) say there is a definit fit for each rod in general.
My experience is, that all fly fishermen in my lessons ended up choosing the same head weight on a specific rod in a specific situation using a specific fly to be cast.
And that leads me to believe there is an avergae range of rod bend (during casting) that fits (feels) best for a high percentage of fly fishermen. And I think that those recommendations we all give are partially based on that (as on the single circumstances of course).
Again besides all this, a knowlegable caster will always be able to adjust his movements to each rod-line combination, even if it is extreme.
So a 13 weight line splashes significantly more than a 11 weightA good example to me is Tarpon fishing. I need a 10 or 11 wt. fly line in order to (comfortable) cast the flies I want to present to the fish. Strength of those lines are excellent. The splash (due to fly line weight) is perfect. Using a 13 wt. fly line would splash away lots of fish. That heavy line is too hard to present splash free close to the fish.
Using an ERN 10 to 11 fly rod forces me into highest necessary concentration during the fight. The smallest mistake and the rod is broken on these large fish. Using a 13 wt. rod gives me much more space here. I feel much relaxter during the (long) fight.
But then again the ERN 13-14 fly rod bends much less during casting when using a 10 or 11 wt. fly line. Sure I can handle that - especially since it is only a few chances to present my fly during the whole day anyway. But casting a 10wt. fly line on an ERN 14 fly rod feels uncomfortable to me. I feel significant more comfortable when using a 10wt. fly rod here.
So I decide for a compromise in using a 11wt. fly line and a 12wt. rod. If you want, I "underline" about one line weight.
That goes back to the thread on the old board about max carry and stuff. Remember for me I carry the most with the rod I'm most comfortable with, personal preference you knowSame thing happens when casting the 5wt. MED on the HT. There are stiffer rods (like my 690 SP+) that offer me a longer carry. But casting the whole spectrum of different line lengths from short to long I feel best with the HT. The range of rod bend during the whole spectrum of line length matches perfect for me.
Yup, you recommend a weight and length based on your personal preference just like anybody elseIn that kind of feeling for a matching rod-line combination (based on the range of resulting rod bend) I still think a high percentage of fly fishermen are relatively close together. That simply is the result of casting and experimenting with a huge amount of other fly fishermen trying different combinations. And that is also the only reason I can think of why those shooting head recommendations - like the one RIO offers - work fine for many fly fishermen.
Most of my line recommendations to students are based on the average situation since I hardly ever know in what kind of different situations my students may use their rod-line combis in future time. So I make a recommendation based on the feel for a certain range of rod bend I think they will produce by a specific combination of line weight (in relation to length etc.) and rod stiffness in the average situation.
I agree it always can only be a recommendation. But I believe it to be a very good one mostly.![]()
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Does that make more sense to you?![]()
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Greets
Bernd
Hi Lasse,Lasse Karlsson wrote: What RIO LT would you suggest to that student? Just so we can have lines according to AFFTA standard in there too![]()
BTW. Loop opti stream is only 8-9,5 meters in the head, it's the stillwater that has the 10,8