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Indicator Fly / Indicator with a hook

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Indicator Fly / Indicator with a hook

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Post by BobHarry76 » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:26 pm

How do you make a dry fly more buoyant when you are using it as an indicator. IE is there an improvement that can be made to a Klinkhammer to help support a couple of nymphs and avoid it getting sunk?
We are not talking about a dryfly here, only a very buoyant indicator, with a hook, that will occasionally hook a fish that rises rather than taking the nymphs.
I appreciate that some do not like this method. Sorry in advance to those that don’t.

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Re: Indicator Fly / Indicator with a hook

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Post by BobHarry76 » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:29 pm

This was my initial solution, but following discussion with others, it’s suggested that this will be no more buoyant than the original.
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Re: Indicator Fly / Indicator with a hook

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Post by Boisker » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:10 pm

If you’re not set on it being an emerger
I’d go for something with deer hair... either a sedge or I started using a ‘found link’ deer hair body and wing/sighter...

They link is pretty unsinkable... both the body and wing are very buoyant

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Re: Indicator Fly / Indicator with a hook

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Post by Paul Arden » Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:45 am

Not sure a Klink is the best option. But foam and deer hair will certainly add buoyancy. I use foam back humpies, suspender royal FUps.

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Re: Indicator Fly / Indicator with a hook

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Post by Viking Lars » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:53 am

A Klinkhamer doesn't float - it hangs in the surface film on the parachute hackle, so it cannot, as you've experienced, support weighted flies. Adding buoyant materials materials above the hackle doesn't help as they're not in contact with the water. They are of course very light, which doesn't harm :-).

I'd go for a foam beetle!

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Re: Indicator Fly / Indicator with a hook

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Post by piffilus » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:19 pm

I have made klinkhammers with a large 5 or 7 mm foam as post and a sheep girl ring far down the bend. The are just enough buoyant to have two droppers hanging from it and staying visible.

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Post by Paul Arden » Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:16 pm

I suppose it depends on the type of water you are fishing. The sort of water where I’ve fished indicator dry flies has normally been fast broken NZ water. There you need something that stands up and stands out.

Incidentally I found that if instead of seal’s fur I used some sort of light bright dubbing - Sorry I don’t know the names but it’s supposedly peacock dubbing substitute that is flashy and dubs like SF - that with this the fly stood out much better.

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Re: Indicator Fly / Indicator with a hook

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Post by BobHarry76 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:23 pm

Thanks Paul. I will try this.
Tail is deer hair, body is poly-yarn with foam and a poly sighter and double hackle. Pretty much every ingredient should add some buoyancy and not take on water.
We’ll see.
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Re: Indicator Fly / Indicator with a hook

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Post by BobHarry76 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:28 pm

I agree by the way re the type of water.
I think it is similar to trotting a float. One size does not fit all situations. Sometimes it has to be bulky and buoyant, sometimes it need to be critically balanced to detect the slightest touch.
I find klinks are great in slower water where you can use smaller and lighter nymphs, but they won’t support bigger or tungsten flies.

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Re: Indicator Fly / Indicator with a hook

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Post by Paul Arden » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:39 pm

I’ve used very similar to your foam back Humpy here in the jungle, Bob. But not to carry nymphs but instead to float flies with bonefish hooks for Gourami.

I don’t know if you tie off the bend or use a dropper knot? I much prefer the presentation off a dropper. But if it’s only a short distance from dry to nymph I tie off the bend. It’s not perfect especially with barbless hooks.

Another important consideration is that the fly doesn’t spin. Floating foam fry patterns are an excellent example of a fly that would be a great indicator fly on the reservoirs at the right time of year, but always seem to spin on the droppers.

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