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The practical side of considering loops as waves: Teaching and Self Improvement

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Re: The practical side of considering loops as waves: Teaching and Self Improvement

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Post by Paul Arden » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:26 pm

By not straight I meant without slack, not curved :p
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Re: The practical side of considering loops as waves: Teaching and Self Improvement

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Post by James9118 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:27 pm

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Firstly, the very longest casts will come with the absence of fly leg tension.
Hi James,
this is a pretty bold statement! How does the line and leader look once it has landed? Is it perfectly straight? In zero tailwind conditions I often find it difficult to get a straight leader without checking the shoot.

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Yes, I should have qualified that statement with a caveat about the conditions. If we we're having a casting competition into a headwind then you're going to want some rod-leg tension otherwise you're unlikely to get turn-over. But the bulk of distance comps are downwind and for that minimising rod-leg tension is the best tactic.

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:40 pm

Completly agree John, don't know how many debates I have had with people saying ICSF casting gear isn't applicable for fishing, and stuff like that. And here I also agree with Paul, it's stuff they havent learned, and its easier to criticise than do. Lots of things in the world would be better with an open mind.

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:41 pm

Paul Arden wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:26 pm
By not straight I meant without slack, not curved :p
Yeah, your trajectory sucks too then :p

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Post by Graeme H » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:44 pm

I know that this is not the physics subform, but here's a question: If there is no tension in the rod leg in these distance events, why is the rod leg not falling at the same rate we'd expect all objects on earth to fall at? Pixies at play?

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Post by Graeme H » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:52 pm

James,

When I shoot the video showing the collapse of the loop, I'll make sure the preceding three casts are also captured. I'll use tracker to get the rod tip speed of all four casts and you can decide for yourself if I've made a significantly slower cast on the one that collapses.

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Post by James9118 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:01 pm

Graeme H wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:44 pm
I know that this is not the physics subform, but here's a question: If there is no tension in the rod leg in these distance events, why is the rod leg not falling at the same rate we'd expect all objects on earth to fall at? Pixies at play?

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Hi Graeme,

What makes you think it isn't (falling at 1g)? Why do you think mine and Lasse's non-tethered casts went further than the tethered ones?

I look forward to your video - thanks.

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Post by Paul Arden » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:43 pm

Hi James, I don’t mean a headwind vs tailwind, just zero wind. Is everything landing straight? I have tried it of course but I’ve never got satisfactory results. I’ve always thought therefore that some tension was required for a clean turnover.

I was making short casts today and trying to get the loop to just unroll and then pushing through as Graeme suggests. The loop does indeed form slack on roll out. Whether I’ve changed anything prior to this during the stroke I can’t say 100% but I certainly tried not to - in fact I was trying to prove Graeme wrong :p However when line speed was initially higher and I pushed the loop still unrolled straight (so he is half wrong!).

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Post by James9118 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:44 pm

I'll just repeat this bit though
James9118 wrote:
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Now, obviously we can collapse casts, but these are casts that need some rod leg tension in order to be successful. Removing the rod-leg tension in this case causes the desired effect. A cast, e.g. a distance cast, which is thrown with sufficient momentum in the first place cannot be collapsed - all the #5 WC competitors know this hence the 'stoop' to reduce tension once the cast is away.

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To me this is obvious, if your casts require some rod leg tension to complete, i.e. an experienced caster throwing at low power, then obviously it is possible to collapse the cast - it's how we all do it. However, if thrown with enough momentum to reach the target without an input from the rod-leg, then in this scenario it will be impossible to callapse the cast.

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Post by Paul Arden » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:45 pm

Ah ok then we agree :D
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