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Throwing a chicken, or taking a dog nobbler for a walk

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Throwing a chicken, or taking a dog nobbler for a walk

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Post by Paul Arden » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:27 pm

Hi folks,

A question came up about whether a heavy fly will throw further on a flyline or a mono rig. I suppose it depends on the weight of the fly(chicken), the length and weight of the flyline and the diameter and weight or lack of of the mono.

What sort of experiments have you done in this regards Lasse?

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Post by easterncaster » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:46 pm

I love how Lasse is The Chicken King... !

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:01 pm

Chicken, give me mono and I'll throw it furthest, no problem. Dog nobbler, give me a flyline and I'll throw furthest. Haven't found a threshold for where a fly goes further on mono than flyline, but it will be in the low numbers I guess 🙂

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:02 pm

easterncaster wrote:
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Post by Paul Arden » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:59 am

It came up because we were discussing the flies that Mark Sedotti uses. Sometimes I think the purpose of the loop in such situations is simply to unroll the line, not the fly.

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:55 am

Paul Arden wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:59 am
It came up because we were discussing the flies that Mark Sedotti uses. Sometimes I think the purpose of the loop in such situations is simply to unroll the line, not the fly.

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Post by Paul Arden » Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:13 am

I don’t really agree with that. With a light fly the loop serves a the purpose to unroll the line and deliver the fly. With a super heavy fly, or chicken, the loop serves the purpose of unrolling the line. Throwing the fly out there without a line doesn’t catch many fishy-fishies. In both cases it’s the purpose of the action.

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Post by George C » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:03 pm

I raised a lot of these issues in this thread over on the physics forum......viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3299 but the discussion died before it was addressed.
I'll try them again here because it is something I've not seen discussed previously.


"Rubber chickens aside, this topic interests me. For the sake of discussion I'd like to pursue it a bit more.

As I understand your posts above, adding mass to an aerodynamically inefficient fly will help it turn over better when cast on a lighter line. I'm curious, however, as to what other positive and negative effects the added mass may have during the rest of the cast. In particular, what are the reasons the cast breaks down as flies become too heavy for the line?

Blah blah blah"............ as I go on to speculate about what may be happening but best I spare all a rehash of that.

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:35 pm

Paul Arden wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:13 am
I don’t really agree with that. With a light fly the loop serves a the purpose to unroll the line and deliver the fly. With a super heavy fly, or chicken, the loop serves the purpose of unrolling the line. Throwing the fly out there without a line doesn’t catch many fishy-fishies. In both cases it’s the purpose of the action.

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With a light fly or a heavy fly, if the loop hits a wall, it stops but the flyleg continues until it all and the fly have hit the wall.

Both a light fly and a heavy fly attached to a line can be cast so they are the primary mass dragging the line along, the heavier will go further, because of more mass.

Take a bushy fly, lots of drag, add weight to the fly to counteract the drag, and it becomes easier to cast as the flyleg doesn't run out of energy as fast.

Loops a byproducts. Sometimes pretty, sometimes ugly (we have seen you cast Paul :p )

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Post by Paul Arden » Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:04 am

I’m not sure George. I suspect with a heavy and aerodynamic mass it will try to overtake the loop. Generally speaking I wouldn’t add mass to the fly to assist turnover and instead would use a heavier line. I think with some very heavy flies that the flyline becomes incidental, and even an inconvenience.

The reason I started this topic is because I’m teaching a chap who is fishing for Huchen with very large flies and he has been experimenting with weight. I think we have both come to the conclusion that the flyline isn’t helping! :)

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