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When to replace grooved rings?
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When to replace grooved rings?
How does one know when it is time to replace rod rings that has started to show wear?
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Lasse Karlsson
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Re: When to replace grooved rings?
When they start to show wear!
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Re: When to replace grooved rings?
The tip ring usually goes first. It’s very easy to replace. And can be done very carefully with a cigarette lighter and some forceps. If you are fast and nimble you might not even need epoxy.
The other rings are more complicated.
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The other rings are more complicated.
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Re: When to replace grooved rings?
It figures.
It might just be the tip. I have to do a more thorough inspection.Paul Arden wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:15 am The tip ring usually goes first. It’s very easy to replace. And can be done very carefully with a cigarette lighter and some forceps. If you are fast and nimble you might not even need epoxy.
The other rings are more complicated.
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Re: When to replace grooved rings?
Drag a piece of old nylon stocking or tights through each guide, Paul sells his old pairs on eBay just for this 
. If they catch going through the guide, there’s an issue. If it happens, I might replace all the guides just in case the others are on their way out but as mentioned, the tip top usually goes first.
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. If they catch going through the guide, there’s an issue. If it happens, I might replace all the guides just in case the others are on their way out but as mentioned, the tip top usually goes first.Regards
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Re: When to replace grooved rings?
You can also take a phone of the rod tip and zoom in. The iPhone has a zoom button for reading incredibly small print on packages that they don’t want you to read, but have to put there legally. Or maybe my eyesight is just getting substantially worse 
Re: When to replace grooved rings?
Be careful with a cigarette lighter and a fly rod tip.
Butane burns hot. Hot enough to very quickly melt the resin binding graphite fibers. It will re-solidify but break easily thereafter. I've ruined even large surf rods removing tips with a lighter in spite of knowing better and thinking I could get away with it.
You are better to use a candle or match.
Apply the heat momentarily while rotating the tip section. Keep testing and reapplying momentary heat until the glue releases. Most tips are put on with thermal glue and will come free at a temperature that is below the melting point of the blank/resin.
Rewrapping guides is also easy, particularly if cosmetics and resale value are not considerations. Remove the old guide by cutting through the epoxy and thread along the top of the guide foot, twist the guide off, then catch the end of the remaining thread and unravel it. It will lift the epoxy as it goes (watch your eyes as chips fly off surprisingly fast). Remove any further epoxy by softening it with a brief (few seconds) application of heat (again go easy, I buckled a sage blank once by rushing things and overheating it) then scraping it off with a fingernail or old credit card edge. Any remaining dullness with thread impression is probably color preserver. Latex remover and a rough rag will take this off. To wrap on the new guide and epoxy it just check out youtube or a rod building supply like Mudhole.
Butane burns hot. Hot enough to very quickly melt the resin binding graphite fibers. It will re-solidify but break easily thereafter. I've ruined even large surf rods removing tips with a lighter in spite of knowing better and thinking I could get away with it.
You are better to use a candle or match.
Apply the heat momentarily while rotating the tip section. Keep testing and reapplying momentary heat until the glue releases. Most tips are put on with thermal glue and will come free at a temperature that is below the melting point of the blank/resin.
Rewrapping guides is also easy, particularly if cosmetics and resale value are not considerations. Remove the old guide by cutting through the epoxy and thread along the top of the guide foot, twist the guide off, then catch the end of the remaining thread and unravel it. It will lift the epoxy as it goes (watch your eyes as chips fly off surprisingly fast). Remove any further epoxy by softening it with a brief (few seconds) application of heat (again go easy, I buckled a sage blank once by rushing things and overheating it) then scraping it off with a fingernail or old credit card edge. Any remaining dullness with thread impression is probably color preserver. Latex remover and a rough rag will take this off. To wrap on the new guide and epoxy it just check out youtube or a rod building supply like Mudhole.
Re: When to replace grooved rings?
It might be time to get going with rewrapping the rod. I miss it.
I think I will just replace the snake rings with snakes of the same size.
Any pointers for getting good alignment on the rings when wrapping them?
I think I will just replace the snake rings with snakes of the same size.
Any pointers for getting good alignment on the rings when wrapping them?
Re: When to replace grooved rings?
Provided you haven’t gone crazy with thread tension you should be able to move the guides a bit to get the alignment straight after they are wrapped but before epoxy.
When re-wrapping a rod you often can see where the guide feet were previously located.
When re-wrapping a rod you often can see where the guide feet were previously located.