VGB wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:48 pm
There appears to be 2 views on the table Bernd, yours and the scientific world
Hi Vince,
I have said it several times now: It's not my definition of the verb learning. Oxford university is quite huge in history. Over 400 years of studying and offering language details. Used by scientists, researches and many academics from all over the world they provide the complete history of this verb. I could not find a definition similuar to the one you guys are using in their archieve.
Here's again the major definition:
to gain knowledge or skill by studying, from experience, from being taught, etc.
An important aspect for me has always been to observe the learning curve of students as well as my own one.
According to you guys, there is no learning curve at all, because you don't call it learning pre a specific moment in time (when the desired performance has reached whatever level and sticks forever). Only problem, you guys yet didn't tell me what moment in time that is. You only said, that it's not at the end of a one day lesson, not at the end of a two day lesson, but after a long time. Whatever a long time is, I have no clue.
Learning curve:
the rate at which you learn a new subject or a new skill
Or other:
learning speed over time
I can observe this curve thruout a first lesson. Right where students start the process of learning.
You guys can't see any learning curve, because without learning there obviously is no learning curve.
You miss a (for me) very imprtant tool to optimize my teaching. I clearly could tell efficiency of different tools in my teaching box by comparing the outcome of using them by comparing learning curves. No need to tell you guys may find tons of studies about this (by far not only those in regard of cost savings in the industry) and why it's worth to check for learning curves and speed of progress.
It's a great indicator for the progress in learning. Well, for those who understand learning as a process, not as a certain point in time long after for example a lesson (or quite some training).
There is no way you guys may convince me, that there isn't a process of gaining both knowledge and skills starting straight away in all my lessons. I prefer to check this in the only place possible anyway. That is the abilities of my students at any time during short post and long post the lesson or lessons.
By the way Paul,
I tell my students, that not going to practise with what was learnt today, I will meet them at the same point, where we started the lesson after a year has passed. So I see this even more drastically/dramatically as you do.
Cheers
Bernd