FFI teaching outreach.

[Walter]

They found out they can raise a significant amount of money with way less effort by going on line with the conclaves/fair. I don’t know if they considered longer term knock on effects with overall membership or participation in the CICP program. For us, the conclaves were what drew us (myself and Susan) to the FFI in the first place and helped spark my interest in getting certified. I think if the conclaves had always been online then I probably wouldn’t have joined in the first place.

With respect to doing local events, Susan has organized an annual event through our local club that I donate my time to. To be honest we’ve had feedback from newer club members that it is one of the reasons they joined the club but I don’t think it has created any new members for the FFI or encouraged any of them to become uncertified instructors. I know it hasn’t done a thing to put extra money in my pocket.

[Paul Arden]

I think nowadays I would support Dan and Denise’s project.

[Walter]

I think nowadays I would support Dan and Denise’s project.

Yep.

[Lasse Karlsson]

I think nowadays I would support Dan and Denise’s project.

Yup, a internet forum for instructors, regardless of organisation. Great idea!

Cheers
Lasse

[easterncaster]

They found out they can raise a significant amount of money with way less effort by going on line with the conclaves/fair. I don’t know if they considered longer term knock on effects with overall membership or participation in the CICP program. For us, the conclaves were what drew us (myself and Susan) to the FFI in the first place and helped spark my interest in getting certified. I think if the conclaves had always been online then I probably wouldn’t have joined in the first place.

Same here.

Zoom Conclaves: meh... at best. Not going to happen for me. Zero interest. The camaraderie of casting and teaching with like minded, pals new and old, is everything.

[Bernd Ziesche]

The purpose of the CICP was to set a qualification standard. This is true of Aapgai, Gaia, SGAIC, EFFA and a host of other certification bodies around the planet set up to regulate standards of instruction.

Hi Mark,
I think at least some of these organisations were set up and run by those who wanted to become recognized and draw attention to their names. If it would just have been about WHAT and HOW to TEACH, quite some tests would have been weird at best.
Because they had little to do with teaching. Luckily some members kept complaining and over the decades some improvements have been made though.

The implication from the above email comment is that the assessment standard is set too high for a large part of the active instructor community so a teaching resource of some description will be made available for those who “just want to teach” but don’t want to take an assessment because it would put their credibility as a guide or industry professional at risk if they failed it.

So, the Certification stands for quality in teaching?
I totally disagree. I have seen brilliant teaching and demos by none certified instructors as well as some of the lousiest teaching and demos by certified instructors.

Looking at the FFI, what to expect? 2 days ago I was asked for help by a candidate who was just given the very old original 5E broschure as study material. So I checked the YT vids of Bill Gammel about those essentials since those vids are much younger. Bottom line, nearly nothing has changed in this. You tell a lot of outdated nonsense and probably pass the test.

One may ask every organisation a simple fair question:

Do your certs stay for updated knowledge and proper skills in teaching fly casting?

🫣🫣🫣
Cheers
Bernd

[Bernd Ziesche]

I think nowadays I would support Dan and Denise’s project.

Yup, a internet forum for instructors, regardless of organisation. Great idea!

Cheers
Lasse

Hi Lasse,
Isnt that called Sexyloops?
Cheers
B

[Mangrove Cuckoo]

This just in...

The Florida chapter of the FFi will hold a Zoom meeting next week. It will be the first since the change of direction with the casting instruction stuff.

I'm hoping they will shed some light on that, but organizing a Florida conclave for 2024 would be better news.

Its not like chapters can do much about the former other than chip in or ...

That reminds me of an old misogynistic joke:

Q: How many women does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None... they just sit in the dark and bitch about it!

[Lasse Karlsson]

I think nowadays I would support Dan and Denise’s project.

Yup, a internet forum for instructors, regardless of organisation. Great idea!

Cheers
Lasse

Hi Lasse,
Isnt that called Sexyloops?
Cheers
B

Quite alot of non instructors present at this campfire, Dan and Denises project was a different campfire.

Cheers
Lasse

[VGB]

Looking at the FFI, what to expect? 2 days ago I was asked for help by a candidate who was just given the very old original 5E broschure as study material. So I checked the YT vids of Bill Gammel about those essentials since those vids are much younger. Bottom line, nearly nothing has changed in this. You tell a lot of outdated nonsense and probably pass the test.

I just looked and found a 62 page guide, I don’t agree with all of it but Rome wasn’t built in a day. If your candidate needs to be spoon fed information, they probably need to adjust their expectations.

I would also suggest that expecting an assessment to be a measure of instructor abilities is a bit naive. Engineers much like other professions such as doctors, pilots, school teachers, sports coaches, plumbers, electricians or almost anything you can name, go through a professional development process before they are let lose on their own. I’m not sure why you would think that casting instructor should be any different?

Regards

Vince