Movement Skills Overview

[John Waters]

I don’t know the answer John. I think distance in the 5WT is very much tied to line carry and shoot is limited by this. A faster loop unrolls quicker, how much more line can be shot while the loop is unrolling, I don’t know.

I know that remaining momentum at loop straight will shoot more line. So extra speed certainly assists at loop straight.

The other side of the equation is the more speed we generate with the rod, the greater the resulting counterflex and the wider the initial loop shape. There is a balance in all of this.

Personally I think more distance will come from minimising the dangle and tightening the loop. We’ve all experienced casts that seem to “float” through the air.

Lots of unknowns.

Cheers, Paul

Agree Paul, carry is critical for the MED, the greater the mass, the longer the distance. Counterflex is a limiting factor but choice of rod can limit that negative. Performance will increase by reducing all the negatives, including loop shape, but I think increasing hand speed will be a major contributor to future distance performance.

John

[Paul Arden]

Hi John,

I’m not thinking mass, which obviously applies, but rather the length of carry determines to a large extent the length of shoot. Cast faster and it unrolls faster. How much more line is shot as a consequence would be interesting to find out.

Cheers, Paul

[Lasse Karlsson]

Cast faster, and it shoots more before its unrolled
Smoother, faster, longer, if I was to boil it down.
And loops are a byproduct, its the line velocity we really want.
And that should be enough of a sidetrack, back to the direction of the thread

Cheers
Lasse

[Stoatstail50]

back to the direction of the thread

that would be a serious breach of tradition ..

[John Waters]

I thought increasing line velocity was a component of what we teach and therefore relevant to any "Movement Skills Overview" discussion.

I agree Paul, increasing carry does increase the elapsed time for line rollout and that is a good thing.

John

[Stoatstail50]

The OP was about "how" we teach I think John.

[Paul Arden]

I’m happy to jump back to topic. But it certainly raises one for the science guys.

[VGB]

I thought increasing line velocity was a component of what we teach and therefore relevant to any "Movement Skills Overview" discussion.

I spend more time teaching self taught students to reduce hand speed John, how would you do that?

Regards

Vince

[John Waters]

The opening sentence threw me completely off topic Mark, apologies for misinterpreting the meaning of the science of movement skills.

That's why I said increasing line velocity is a component of teaching Vince. My students are usually self taught too, but want, and need, to increase line velocity. Just shows how varied our client objectives can be each being equally deserving of competent instruction. As your question is about the what of instruction and off topic, it might be worth starting a new thread. At the risk of ignoring the advice of John Cleese, the science of biomechanics may suggest you use the same movement skills to reduce line speed as you would to increase it.

John

[Paul Arden]

Using less rod hand speed is often a way to lengthen carry and increase distance. Back to teaching here! It’s usually about that 80’ mark. I have the caster use less force while maintaining fast hauling. 100%, 90%, 80%, 70%. It’s a drill!

What happens is as the caster reduces rod hand speed and maintains fast hauling, is that the loops tighten. This in turn allows them to carry more line. And that allows them to cast further.

Rod speed does matter, but not until we are in the 1-teens. And even then I don’t throw at 100%.

Cheers, Paul