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Lasse Karlsson wrote:
170 works because a running start and finish is alot faster than a standing start and a standing finish. And it is so much faster, that going 10 feet in the wrong direction at the end hurts very little....

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Every cast ends with some going in the wrong direction, the 170 just does more of it.
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Walter wrote:
Lasse Karlsson wrote:
170 works because a running start and finish is alot faster than a standing start and a standing finish. And it is so much faster, that going 10 feet in the wrong direction at the end hurts very little....

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Every cast ends with some going in the wrong direction, the 170 just does more of it.
Every cast starts and ends with going the wrong direction, some even take a detour during.....

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Is it not also pulling it, Vince? Or at least the line that is being removed is pulling the line behind?

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Paul - Force is a vector quantity.
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Lasse Karlsson wrote:
Every cast starts and ends with going the wrong direction, some even take a detour during.....

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Some more than others... :D
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Paul Arden wrote:Is it not also pulling it, Vince? Or at least the line that is being removed is pulling the line behind?

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Hi Paul, it is pulling the mass out of the fly leg

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I agree that it's pulling over-hang out, what I'm asking is if the rod tip is still accelerating will this result in acceleration at the fly end?

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Paul, it would behave much the same way if it was at 90 degrees to the fly leg.

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Paul Arden wrote:I agree that it's pulling over-hang out, what I'm asking is if the rod tip is still accelerating will this result in acceleration at the fly end?

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Paul, because force and velocity are vector quantities a change in direction is acceleration even though the actual speed may be increasing, decreasing or remaining the same. An object travelling in a circle is constantly accelerating even though its speed may not be changing.

If you are asking, "If the speed of the rod tip is increasing will this result in acceleration at the fly end?". The answer is maybe. The line is not a point mass, it is a flexible distributed mass and it has a number of forces acting on it. It's not as simple as thinking of the loop as a pulley with the line wrapped around it. Obviously if we pull on one end of a line that is looped around a pulley then the entire line changes speed but the loop is not a fixed rigid pulley. It is flexible. To determine if a change in tip direction is going to affect the speed of the fly you can look at the change in X and Y components of the force, acceleration, or velocity for the rod tip and determine if this is going to affect the speed of the fly. You could also look at the tension in the line to make this determination. One way to determine the tension in the line is described in Dr. McGlinn's book and that is to look at the shape of the fly line from rod tip to fly.
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Great. Please tell Lasse :)
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