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Bianchetti Ivan
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Change leverage

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Post by Bianchetti Ivan » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:38 am

The question might be silly, increasing the weight of the rod heel and decreasing the weight of the tip, moving the grip point, would the lever change class? has anyone tried?

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Re: Change leverage

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Post by Carol » Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:42 pm

I'm not a physicist, but it depends upon where the fulcrum is. As long as the fulcrum is on the end and the force is near it, it probably remains a class 3 lever. https://images.app.goo.gl/4VFhJRx74eSL9swq8
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Re: Change leverage

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Post by Bianchetti Ivan » Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:10 pm

Carol wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:42 pm
I'm not a physicist, but it depends upon where the fulcrum is. As long as the fulcrum is on the end and the force is near it, it probably remains a class 3 lever. https://images.app.goo.gl/4VFhJRx74eSL9swq8
Thanks Carol
I also think it's as you say, it's probably just balance adding weight, probably also counterproductive, I was looking for confirmation🙂.

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Post by Paul Arden » Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:30 pm

Hi Ivan,

I don’t know about changing the lever class but 1KG gives some surprising stability and is not unpleasant to cast at all. Definitely wants to make me cast more flip-fop than 170. I will try it some more because I find it very interesting. It feels stable and from what I can see in the moonlight it damps rather well.
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2KG Was still acceptable. However 3.75 wasn’t very good at roll casting and 5.5 might suit Lee but for me it’s definitely not an attribute I look for in a any flyrod!
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Interesting experiment. Thanks Ivan! I think there is mileage in this idea. Not necessarily for distance – maybe – however as a method of teaching certain things I can definitely see immediate uses here. You’ll have to give me some time on this. I need to try it on a few unsuspecting people!

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Post by Bianchetti Ivan » Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:09 pm

Hi Paul
great that you are taking your time.

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Post by Paul Arden » Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:18 pm

To be honest it wasn’t what I expected :D
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Post by nicholasfmoore » Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:39 pm

I've tried casting a rod without a reel, and it doesn't let it damp very well, so your experiment is interesting :cool: maybe casting Chinese style damps the rod differently with the mass more out to the side?

All the best

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Re: Change leverage

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Post by Paul Arden » Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:29 am

It’s an incredible way of reducing casting arc. I think for teaching a beginner the basics of casting arc and narrow loops there is potentially great value in this setup. The only draw back I can see, is that if you drop the rod by mistake you either smash the butt or it sinks to the bottom of the lake :D But I would thoroughly recommend giving the 1KG mass a go. I will certainly try this on some students.

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Re: Change leverage

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Post by Bianchetti Ivan » Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:52 am

Paul Arden wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:29 am
It’s an incredible way of reducing casting arc. I think for teaching a beginner the basics of casting arc and narrow loops there is potentially great value in this setup. The only draw back I can see, is that if you drop the rod by mistake you either smash the butt or it sinks to the bottom of the lake :D But I would thoroughly recommend giving the 1KG mass a go. I will certainly try this on some students.

Cheers, Paul
Thanks Paul, your opinion is very interesting, a greeting.
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Re: Change leverage

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Post by Bianchetti Ivan » Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:00 am

nicholasfmoore wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:39 pm
I've tried casting a rod without a reel, and it doesn't let it damp very well, so your experiment is interesting :cool: maybe casting Chinese style damps the rod differently with the mass more out to the side?

All the best

Nick
Thanks for trying.

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