Causes of tailing loops

[Lasse Karlsson]

[Paul Arden]

So tailing loops aren’t transverse waves any more? That’s wonderful. Gotta love physics! Gourami are less unpredictable.

[VGB]

Before loop formation they are transverse waves, after loop formation depends…..

[Paul Arden]

If loop formation for you means RSP then all tailing serpents happen as a result of something occurring before.

[VGB]

Loop formation for me is when the straight line being pulled by the rod overtakes the tip and forms a loop, I’m not bothered about rod shape at that point.

[Mangrove Cuckoo]

The tension in fly leg usually is considered highest at the loop front and zero or close to zero at the fly, Vince, which would explain why tailing “waves” sometimes travel in the way they do.

Cheers, Paul

Um... its been a while but... isn't tension in something like a string constant at all points between the terminals?

And, if the loop is similar to a pulley, the tension is actually between the rod tip and the fly?

Ah... geez... now I gotta go back and prove to myself, once again, that I didn't pay enough attention in Physics 101!

[Graeme H]

I’ve run out of time to make another video before I head out of town for a month, but Paul, I doubt physics has changed. So far there’s only one side of the discussion being presented. I have much more to discuss, but without a video of an experiment to demonstrate the concepts I want to present, there’s no point presenting them. It will only lead into more counterproductive discussion.

But I do think the original question about how they form has been answered.

Cheers, Graeme

[Graeme H]

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And, if the loop is similar to a pulley, the tension is actually between the rod tip and the fly?

The loop is not similar to a pulley.

[VGB]

Um... its been a while but... isn't tension in something like a string constant at all points between the terminals?

Only if the string is massless which is a simplifying assumption that’s dragged a lot of discussions down a rabbit hole. I note Graeme’s wish to continue the discussion but I suggest that the thread is moved to the physics forum because it’s moved away from teaching.

The methods that an instructor would use to change the behaviour of a lifelong tailer is a more fitting follow up to the tip path discussion imo.

Regards

Vince

[Graeme H]

...I suggest that the thread is moved to the physics forum because it’s moved away from teaching.

The methods that an instructor would use to change the behaviour of a lifelong tailer is a more fitting follow up to the tip path discussion imo.

Regards

Vince

Both are good ideas.