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Post by Paul Arden » Wed Dec 25, 2019 3:16 pm

What is it with people, who are not scientists incidentally, “denying” that there is climate change or that it is possible that we are responsible? Where do they get their information? :???:

I find the world staggering. I only keep these friends on social media because some are actually friends, but more than that it’s nice to see what other people think, even if it is highly disturbing.

I have no idea what you even say to people who are like this.

I even have some friends who think Trump is a good man and the best president yet, others who think Brexit is a fantastic idea, and others - probably the same people actually - who think the world is flat and fairies live in the trees :p

Just staggering!!!

I might be becoming an old fart but at least I hope to keep my marbles :laugh:

But back to the original point; I find it remarkable that this exists. Is this the future? If that’s what the connectivity of the Internet is going to become then isn’t it about time that social media platforms provided totally unbiased news? I’m not sure that’s even possible but there has to be a way through this fog. I’m not optimistic!

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Post by Viking Lars » Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:13 pm

Are you sure this is a good can of worms to open :-)? What can I say - there are flatearthers all around the globe (!!!) and plenty of people powering their electric engines with diesel generators.

I unfortunately lost the reference, but I once read an article that stated (maybe even proved) that people are more liable to believe something that fits with their own perception rather than something scientifically proven.

As for the fairies - if they're not in the trees, where are they? I hope mermaids are still underwater and dragons guard treasure hoards :-).

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:00 pm

Come on, the world is flat, there where more bison than there are cattle, the rod is a big spring, the more it cost the better a spring it is, Its ok to bully 16 year olds and claim Its all a scam, and the anchor does load the rod...

Or does it?

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Post by Geenomad » Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:18 pm

Having heard and read the denialist guff for several decades I have concluded that they are people beyond persuasion and, frankly, unworthy of engagement. Their position is based on belief rather than reason. We can speculate and psychoanalyse about the bases and causes of that belief but I don't know what purpose any of that serves. Clearly, however, they have a huge investment in and commitment to, denial. It reminds me of tobacco companies denying that smoking causes cancer and that nicotine is a highly addictive substance.

Their positions and justifications change only to maintain their belief. They retreat and regroup in the face of manifest evidence. It's not happening. If it is happening it is due to some "natural" cycle. The observable consequences are all natural and normal phenomena. There is nothing we can do about any of it. There will be no end game where they say "sorry we were wrong".

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Post by Graeme H » Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:07 am

I've mainly given up trying to teach people online about why climate change is real and dangerous. Face to face, though, I have a lot more success. "Keyboard warriors" lose their bravery when faced with some knowledge of the science and it's discussed in a logical and reasonable manner.

It's too easy for groups with an agenda to buy opinions. This guy did some good research in three videos on how social media is being manipulated and it helps explain your question Paul.



He's also researching how whips work, but I'm waiting on the published paper before diving too deeply. It has a lot of overlap with casting a fly line.

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Re: Climate Change

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Post by Limpe Iven » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:16 am

Paul Arden wrote:
Wed Dec 25, 2019 3:16 pm


But back to the original point; I find it remarkable that this exists. Is this the future? If that’s what the connectivity of the Internet is going to become then isn’t it about time that social media platforms provided totally unbiased news? I’m not sure that’s even possible but there has to be a way through this fog. I’m not optimistic!

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Post by Paul Arden » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:45 am

That first video is not currently working for me Graeme, I’ll try again later. Thanks Limpe that certainly worked!

By the way if hasn’t seen “The Great Hack” I think they should watch it and it should be mandatory before they are allowed to vote!

Truth is I suppose this type of person has always existed; it’s just now he is given a platform. A largely unmoderated platform.

There are shared “adverts” saying that climate change is not manmade. I would like to know where these come from. Manipulating large swathes of people is not free speech; it’s manipulation!

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Post by Paul Arden » Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:11 am

Still can’t see your video Graeme.
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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:57 am

Interesting video Graeme, thanks for sharing!

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Post by Paul Arden » Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:23 pm

Thanks Graeme. Finally got to watch them!
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