Loop control

[Graeme H]

Here is one forming in an earlier video:



Try making a 50' cast using the minimum effort, that is, so little power that the loop fails to reach the nail knot. Keep the rod tip high while the loop progresses. (I use this drill for most of my students now, since it removes the tendency to apply power incorrectly.)

Cheers,
Graeme

[Paul Arden]

Hi Graeme, interesting videos. I’ll have a look from home but the loop I’ve drawn has a complete circle of line at the nose of the loop.

Cheers, Paul

[Paul Arden]

Have watched all three now! Could only see the first two in the supermarket! This is the unknown loop -

[Lasse Karlsson]

The “unknown” is a curious one. It probably has to do with haul finishing either slightly pre or post RSP. Unfortunately I can’t throw them at will. I’ve only noticed it perhaps a dozen times (maybe twice that) and don’t have any on film. But they unroll just fine

Cheers, Paul

This is definitely not the cause Paul. I throw them at will with or without a haul. The trick is to use the absolute minimum power needed to reach the distance and to keep the tip high after loop formation,

I won't bother telling people why I believe they are happening because I'm too tired to fight that battle.

Cheers,
Graeme

They are also quite easy to throw with the mpr.

Agree with Graeme.

Cheers
Lasse

PS. Point in that pointy loop rarely traces back to rsp1 rather haulspeedmax.

[Paul Arden]

Hi Lasse,

I’m happy to agree with your PS sometimes but not always! It’s also possible to haul right through RSP.

Please make a video of the circular nose! I’ve never seen it with an MPR. I assumed that the circle of line was all in Tension. I don’t see how wool can hold that together without collapsing. Assuming that we are discussing the same thing (Graeme I don’t think is!).

Cheers, Paul

[Graeme H]

(Graeme I don’t think is!).

Cheers, Paul

Yep, sorry, my bad. I don't always understand art ...

[Paul Arden]

The three-legged waders was art; the loop was technical drawing.

Have you seen this loop? It’s rare for me. I’ve seen it (noticed it) 20-30 times. The first guy to point it out was Mike Heritage who asked what it was on the Board. I said I had no idea what he was talking about. One week later he pointed out a cast where I did it. The interesting thing is often I get a few casts where it happens in a row - so I know it’s a timing issue somewhere and I’m almost certain it’s a haul/unloading rod / tip path issue. The circle is about 4 inches in diameter and sits at the loop nose. It’s a tight V-loop on a 90’ carry. The fly leg reaches the nose, goes around a 4 inch loop and then dips into the rod leg. And that loop fires/unrolls as if it wasn’t there.

I’m not sure how it forms. But what fascinates me is that it’s completely stable and every bit as effective as a loop without it.

Cheers, Paul

[nicholasfmoore]

Hi Paul,

I've only done it once with the MPR with the rod leg turning into a circle on turnover, it was so strange, and I haven't been able to recreate it since (well it wasn't intended).

What was you using when you saw them, Paul? Maybe it's a little bit like a micro bucket mend? I've never seen anyone else throw exactly what you describe, as I say, I've done o once but it was a fluke

What was you thinking when you threw them, Lasse? Was it the standard rope that came with the MPR or the double haul kit? Very interesting topic. If someone can do it at will, it would be worth renting a photon fastcam or similar to get it down.

All the best

[Graeme H]

Great!!! Now I have to find a way to cast these things ...

[Lasse Karlsson]

Hi Lasse,

I’m happy to agree with your PS sometimes but not always! It’s also possible to haul right through RSP.

Please make a video of the circular nose! I’ve never seen it with an MPR. I assumed that the circle of line was all in Tension. I don’t see how wool can hold that together without collapsing. Assuming that we are discussing the same thing (Graeme I don’t think is!).

Cheers, Paul

Please make a video where your maxhaulspeed happens after RSP, and tell me how that helps the cast.

You probably havent had to cast the mpr as much as I ...

I doubt there is that much tension in the loop

Cheers
Lasse