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How to knot thin “knottable” wire

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How to knot thin “knottable” wire

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Post by Paul Arden » Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:26 am

Hi folks,

I usually use pretty thick flexible 40lb wire that knots well. I got some much thinner wire, knot-2-kinky, that I experimented with but couldn’t get anything like the same pull on the line without it cutting through the mono. Also I found knotting the flies a highly challenging task.

Can anyone suggest some knots I can try? The Slim Beauty I normally use is quite impossible.

I was thinking of, and have been testing, braid instead of mono for Snakehead which makes the knot that end more possible. I like the idea of thin wire and braid. It should be far less obvious that what I currently use. Although floating the stuff might be a challenge.

Anyway I’m keen to experiment so if you have any ideas please let me know.

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Re: How to knot thin “knottable” wire

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Post by James9118 » Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:50 am

Hi Paul,

Have you tried a J-knot? I've used this quite extensively with thin wire (AFW) in the tropics. For the fly I use a Kreh not slip loop with just 2 turns.

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Re: How to knot thin “knottable” wire

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Post by James9118 » Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:28 am

that should say 'non slip'

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Post by Paul Arden » Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:56 am

American Fishing Wire? That stuff knots really well. I use a similar and easily obtained Korean equivalent. I can use Lefty Knot and Slim Beauty. It’s more the Knot-2-Kinky and SA stuff that doesn’t seem to knot and cuts mono.

I’ll see if I have some in my box.

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Post by James9118 » Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:23 pm

I'd be interested to hear if the J-knot is any better for you with that wire. Easy test to do - get a test section of wire, tie your knot in one end and a J-knot in the other, then give them a smash test. What are you tying into it, nylon?

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Post by Paul Arden » Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:58 pm

What are you tying into it, nylon?
Yep. It’s supposed to be .60mm but I’ve just measured it at .70mm. However the last time I tested it, it cut through the mono. That’s why I’m now thinking braid. Can go thinner and it should be stronger. Problem is I can’t make the wire knot tighten snugly with this stuff. And when I do try to tighten it fully it breaks!

They’re in business and people are using it so it must be possible. I suspect that they aren’t applying serous force to the leader. I love the idea of it because it’s skinny stuff in comparison to what I normally use.

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Re: How to knot thin “knottable” wire

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Post by Mangrove Cuckoo » Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:37 pm

Paul,

I assume you tried an Albright knot?

With N2K type wires that are more slippery, make two "soft" U-turns in the wire before inserting the mono and beginning to make the wraps. Then dress and set the knot carefully by pulling on the wire both ways. Then trim both tags. That extra turn helps to keep the wire from slipping out.

I found slipping seems to be the main problem, not cutting the mono. But then again I am only using wire for 6' sharks, not snakeheads. :)
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Post by Paul Arden » Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:53 pm

Thanks Gary. In other words with the wire, instead of a U, go around again? Have you had the wire break on the bend when seating? This was the problem I had with the Albright.

Have you tested to destruction using an electronic spring balance? I can’t remember now what I was getting but I do remember it being quite pathetic :D

If I’ve got that right with the wire I’ll tie some up and break them.

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Re: How to knot thin “knottable” wire

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Post by Bendix » Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:37 pm

Hi Paul

I’ve never used Not 2 Kinky wire myself, but I have seen a few Pike fishing videos on YouTube, where people use it.

About the knot attaching the fly, the guys in the videos usually say, that you are not supposed to tighten the knot to be completely snug and tight. Instead the knot is supposed to be a little “open” in order not to break. But It’ll still be strong enough to land the fish… Although usually Pike, and not Snakehead.

Like I said, no personal experience, but maybe it’ll help you out?

/Bendix

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