PLEASE NOTE: In order to post on the Board you need to have registered. To register please email paul@sexyloops.com including your real name and username. Registration takes less than 24hrs, unless Paul is fishing deep in the jungle!
The practical side of considering loops as waves: Teaching and Self Improvement
Moderators: Paul Arden, Bernd Ziesche, Lasse Karlsson
- Paul Arden
- Site Admin
- Posts: 19583
- Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:20 am
- Location: Belum Rainforest
- Contact:
Re: The practical side of considering loops as waves: Teaching and Self Improvement
By not straight I meant without slack, not curved
Re: The practical side of considering loops as waves: Teaching and Self Improvement
Yes, I should have qualified that statement with a caveat about the conditions. If we we're having a casting competition into a headwind then you're going to want some rod-leg tension otherwise you're unlikely to get turn-over. But the bulk of distance comps are downwind and for that minimising rod-leg tension is the best tactic.Paul Arden wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:50 amHi James,Firstly, the very longest casts will come with the absence of fly leg tension.
this is a pretty bold statement! How does the line and leader look once it has landed? Is it perfectly straight? In zero tailwind conditions I often find it difficult to get a straight leader without checking the shoot.
Cheers, Paul
James
- Lasse Karlsson
- Posts: 5783
- Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:40 pm
- Location: There, and back again
- Contact:
Re: The practical side of considering loops as waves: Teaching and Self Improvement
Completly agree John, don't know how many debates I have had with people saying ICSF casting gear isn't applicable for fishing, and stuff like that. And here I also agree with Paul, it's stuff they havent learned, and its easier to criticise than do. Lots of things in the world would be better with an open mind.
Cheers
Lasse
Cheers
Lasse
Your friendly neighbourhood flyslinger
Flycasting, so simple that instructors need to make it complicated since 1685
Got a Q++ at casting school, wearing shorts
Flycasting, so simple that instructors need to make it complicated since 1685
Got a Q++ at casting school, wearing shorts
- Lasse Karlsson
- Posts: 5783
- Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:40 pm
- Location: There, and back again
- Contact:
Re: The practical side of considering loops as waves: Teaching and Self Improvement
Yeah, your trajectory sucks too then
Cheers
Lasse
Your friendly neighbourhood flyslinger
Flycasting, so simple that instructors need to make it complicated since 1685
Got a Q++ at casting school, wearing shorts
Flycasting, so simple that instructors need to make it complicated since 1685
Got a Q++ at casting school, wearing shorts
Re: The practical side of considering loops as waves: Teaching and Self Improvement
I know that this is not the physics subform, but here's a question: If there is no tension in the rod leg in these distance events, why is the rod leg not falling at the same rate we'd expect all objects on earth to fall at? Pixies at play?
Cheers,
Graeme
Cheers,
Graeme
FFi CCI
Re: The practical side of considering loops as waves: Teaching and Self Improvement
James,
When I shoot the video showing the collapse of the loop, I'll make sure the preceding three casts are also captured. I'll use tracker to get the rod tip speed of all four casts and you can decide for yourself if I've made a significantly slower cast on the one that collapses.
Cheers,
Graeme
When I shoot the video showing the collapse of the loop, I'll make sure the preceding three casts are also captured. I'll use tracker to get the rod tip speed of all four casts and you can decide for yourself if I've made a significantly slower cast on the one that collapses.
Cheers,
Graeme
FFi CCI
Re: The practical side of considering loops as waves: Teaching and Self Improvement
Hi Graeme,
What makes you think it isn't (falling at 1g)? Why do you think mine and Lasse's non-tethered casts went further than the tethered ones?
I look forward to your video - thanks.
James
- Paul Arden
- Site Admin
- Posts: 19583
- Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:20 am
- Location: Belum Rainforest
- Contact:
Re: The practical side of considering loops as waves: Teaching and Self Improvement
Hi James, I don’t mean a headwind vs tailwind, just zero wind. Is everything landing straight? I have tried it of course but I’ve never got satisfactory results. I’ve always thought therefore that some tension was required for a clean turnover.
I was making short casts today and trying to get the loop to just unroll and then pushing through as Graeme suggests. The loop does indeed form slack on roll out. Whether I’ve changed anything prior to this during the stroke I can’t say 100% but I certainly tried not to - in fact I was trying to prove Graeme wrong However when line speed was initially higher and I pushed the loop still unrolled straight (so he is half wrong!).
Cheers, Paul
I was making short casts today and trying to get the loop to just unroll and then pushing through as Graeme suggests. The loop does indeed form slack on roll out. Whether I’ve changed anything prior to this during the stroke I can’t say 100% but I certainly tried not to - in fact I was trying to prove Graeme wrong However when line speed was initially higher and I pushed the loop still unrolled straight (so he is half wrong!).
Cheers, Paul
Re: The practical side of considering loops as waves: Teaching and Self Improvement
I'll just repeat this bit though
James
To me this is obvious, if your casts require some rod leg tension to complete, i.e. an experienced caster throwing at low power, then obviously it is possible to collapse the cast - it's how we all do it. However, if thrown with enough momentum to reach the target without an input from the rod-leg, then in this scenario it will be impossible to callapse the cast.James9118 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:02 am
Now, obviously we can collapse casts, but these are casts that need some rod leg tension in order to be successful. Removing the rod-leg tension in this case causes the desired effect. A cast, e.g. a distance cast, which is thrown with sufficient momentum in the first place cannot be collapsed - all the #5 WC competitors know this hence the 'stoop' to reduce tension once the cast is away.
James.
James
- Paul Arden
- Site Admin
- Posts: 19583
- Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:20 am
- Location: Belum Rainforest
- Contact: