Hi Vince,VGB wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:51 am Hi Ron
It’s surprisingly common, casters often self taught that don’t need instruction but quite fancy that they can teach. I see them more at shows where they come along to the stand, not to get a lesson but to show their wife or mate what they can do, maybe get a nod of respect from you. They might want you just to tweak their “style” a bit. Many can throw 70ft of line but are working really hard to do it, occasionally body parts may become detached. For me, these are the hardest class of student, you have to do a lot of interpersonal stuff just to get them into a receptive state to learn whilst avoiding a clash with their ego.I'm trying to wrap my head around the concept of, "unconsciously incompetent." Is that a form of disillusionment?
Regards
Vince
I’d like to did a little deeper into this because I think it may be the key point in getting someone to take casting lessons. You said: “casters often self taught [think] that [they] don’t need instruction but quite fancy that they can teach.” That pretty much describes me. I never went to a show and pretended to know how to put on a casting demonstration. But I have taught maybe 6 people how to fly cast. They knew nothing and after some instruction they could throw a fly far enough and accurately enough to catch fish. Some of them went on to be very good fly fishermen. I taught my daughter how to cast maybe 15 years ago — she throws a pretty good line and really enjoys fly fishing. So, I think you are saying (and please correct me if I’m wrong) that I was unconsciously incompetent because I wasn’t competent up to a certain level. But I knew I was not a world class elite caster. I knew I was average to maybe a little above average. So I was consciously incompetent at casting at a advanced level. But I was unconsciously competent at casting within my ability. Isn’t that true of everyone? If you can cast a 5 wt 125 feet and that is your limit then you are incompetent of casting farther. I would think you are consciously incompetent of casting farther but there must come a point that even the best in the world thinks he’s very competent and doesn’t realize that if he just tweeted a certain thing and did something a bit different he could gain a little distance.
I think the point is that everyone can improve and just because you are not a world class elite caster doesn’t mean you can’t teach a complete beginner. I don’t think teaching a complete beginner is that difficult — it seems way harder to take someone from mid level to high level. And I think that’s true of almost every sport. I can teach someone how to shoot a gun in about 30 minutes but it takes a lot of coaching and practice to get to a high level. And I think most people know they could improve — they know they are not at their very best — they are consciously incompetent but don’t feel the desire to work at getting better.
People need to be motivated to take a lesson — they are very conscious of the fact that a lesson would help — they just lack the motivation.
All the best,
Ron