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Causes of tailing loops

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Re: Causes of tailing loops

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Sorry. Meant to say - the sensible answer isn’t always the expected one.
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PS. I have a flying tank. Your argument is irrelevant.

PSS. How to generate a climbing loop through control of the casting stroke is left as a (considerable) exercise to the reader.
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Re: Causes of tailing loops

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Walter wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:30 pm Lasse,

As an examiner, what is the answer you expect to hear on that one? We know what you are saying makes sense but the sensible answer isn’t the expected one. ;)
Hi Walter

It depends, what is the candidates level of non knowledge?

Or where you asking what I would pass as an answer in a testing situation?

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Re: Causes of tailing loops

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Hi Lasse,

I'm talking about and MCI candidate taking their exam. What would you pass as an answer in that situation?

We expect an MCI candidate to be more knowledgeable than a CI so would you expect a bit different at the CI level?

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Re: Causes of tailing loops

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Hi Walter

I would pass the level I am required to, and afterwards if there was time, try to elevate the knowledge 🙂
I can't fail candidates for something which is agreed in a commitee and a majority has voted for, even if it's wrong.

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Re: Causes of tailing loops

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So is "The line in the fly leg has followed the path of the rod tip before loop formation" an acceptable answer? Or do the examiners need to hear the word "concave" used in the answer?

(I'm sitting my MCI in four weeks and would love to find out a bit more, since the language they want is not well defined anywhere.)

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Re: Causes of tailing loops

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Hi Graeme

What would you teach a student in the cases you have in the MCI test, if there wasn't standing a dude/dudette with a clipboard listening in?

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Re: Causes of tailing loops

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I dislike using the term "concave tip path" and never use it unless the student has raised it and we then discuss it. I can use the word, but I usually don't because I physically demonstrate the path that causes a tail using my "5 Essentials Tool."

But that's not my question: I'm asking if they will have conniptions if the word "concave" is not used.

Task 2B of the teaching section addressing tails has a "PBF box" specifying "explanation clear and concise", which indicates they may want the word used because it's concise (if not wholly correct).

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Re: Causes of tailing loops

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Hi Graeme

I recon no one will have conniptions (had to look that word up, thanks 🤣) if you do not use the word concave in your explanation.

Lets take b as an example. Demonstrate a tail preceeded by creep.

So you make a cast, rob yourself of stroke length and arc, use too much force in the remaining space resulting in a tail. You explain that : Because I crept forward before my line was unrolled in the backcast, I had too little space to make my cast, had to use too much force, the rodtip made a wavy path and resulted in a tail in the flyleg. Solution is to wait for the line to unroll, use a smooth force application and the problem is solved.

Good luck on your test!

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Re: Causes of tailing loops

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20 years ago in my MCI test Bill Gammel asked me the tip path for a tailing loop resulting from Forward Creep. Using most definitions including the FFI and Sexyloops, the tip path during the Casting Stroke itself may be concave. The tip path for the Overall Casting Stroke however is first convex then concave.

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Re: Causes of tailing loops

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That's a very huge "may" 🙂

Depending on your ability to destinquish when your soft definition start, the tippath most likely is convex concave convex, best described as wavy....
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